Originally a comment by Your Name’s not Bruce? at Miscellany Room.
Here’s a story I came across from Canadian Press that has been carried on a number of news services:
Transgender people bear brunt of misinformation about gender identity, experts say
(They have no idea how true that is, but not in the way they’re thinking; trans identified people pay with their health and well-being for the misinformation they’re fed. I’d say that’s “bearing the brunt” alright. This story contains some of that very disinformation from these “experts.”)
Dupré Latour, a trans woman who grew up in West Africa and immigrated to Canada five years ago so she could affirm her gender identity, believes that religion, stereotypes and misconceptions help people justify their hate.
Well what about the lies, intimidation, and denial of reality? I can imagine that one could develop an antipathy towards transgenderism without needing to draw upon religion. There are plenty of “stereotypes” and “misconceptions” within genderism itself, and I wouldn’t trust this man’s definition of “hate.”
She is saddened that many believe that transgender identity is merely a trend.
I don’t care how sad he is, social contagion is a thing, and it preys upon confused youth, many of whom are suffering from other problems, none of which will be solved by transing them. Many, if not most, of these children and youth would, if not shunted into the “gender affirming” pathway, desist, and grow up to be gays and lesbians. How real can it be if it’s something you can grow out of? If it looks like a trend, and walks like a trend, and talks like a trend, it can’t very well be fundamental and innate, can it?
“But we’ve always been there,
Nope.
…it’s just that now, we are in an environment, in a favourable era, but it’s not a trend: these are people who make sacrifices, people who don’t love themselves, who look in the mirror and hate themselves and who have no choice to go through this to live their lives in the image of what society expects.”
The sacrifices are no proof that it’s not part of a trend. People will do any number of harmful, deluded things in persuit of something that is not real. And as for self hatred, and problems with self image, see above regarding comorbidities that transing won’t fix.
Advocates have for years said that misinformation clouds much of the debate over transgender rights in Canada, especially when it comes to youth.
Advocates think that puberty blockers are like a pause button; Advocates think that puberty blockers are safe when used off-label. They believe that it’s possible to go through the “wrong” puberty, whereas a human body is primed to go through just one, which will happen only once. There is no “choice” in the matter, no Door Number Two, no Plan B. Blockers prevent the natural growth and development programmed into the body. Disrupting that is not hitting “pause.” There is no alternative puberty that can be offered the person denied the one and only puberty they will ever have a chance of experiencing. To suggest otherwise is clouding misinformation.
Not allowing the use of preferred pronouns can heighten levels of anxiety, depression and suicidal thoughts among non-binary and transgender youth, said Annie Pullen Sansfaçon, a professor at the Université de Montréal’s department of social work and a gender identity researcher for the past 15 years.
And how much of that is because they’ve been told that’s what they’re “supposed” to be feeling? No discussion of gender identity touching on children fails to claim this; kids doing their own “research” and self-diagnosing as trans are going to see this formula all the time. It’s become part of the script, it’s part of what kids have been told is key to getting their own way. It’s what’s expected of them. It’s a bunch of self-selected subjects and no control group.
GRIS-Montréal, a community organization, has been holding workshops and conferences in schools about sexual orientation for 30 years. Since 2017, the organization has also broached the realities of gender identity.
Great; forced teaming. Though I have to laugh at the oxymoronic idea of “the realities of gender identity.” As if.
Marie Houzeau, the organization’s general manager, said the same prejudices and myths that existed in relation to homosexuality in the past are now transposed to gender identity, ..
Bullshit.
…even though it’s established that one cannot influence the orientation or gender identity of someone else.
More bullshit. If people couldn’t be “influenced” in regards to their “genderidentity” there would be no detransitioners.
She said there is a huge disparity in the amount of reliable information circulating in schools.
“We know that young people receive a lot of information through social media, some follow influencers and that constitutes their main source of information,” Houzeau said.
“We also know the phenomenon of algorithms and echo chambers that ensure that young people only receive information that is in line with what they already think, it can lead to misinformation for some people if they follow people who themselves have opinions based on misinformation.”
Yes, and you’re not doing that at all, are you?
On the other hand, some youth have the right information and can share it with their peers to help debunk transition and treatment myths, she said.
What do you consider to be the “right” information? What myths are you passing off as truth? What’s your take on puberty blockers? Do you think that sex is “assigned” at birth? Is there more than one sex? Can humans change sex?
Pullen Sansfaçon said one common misconception is about puberty blockers — medication prescribed to adolescents who are beginning a gender transition. She stressed these drugs are not given to children before puberty hits.
The medication is not permanent and simply slows down the puberty process, buying time for a young person to weigh their decision more carefully. If a person stops taking it, puberty resumes its course within a few months, Pullen Sansfaçon said.
Hey look, there’s a myth right there, the pause button. The vast majority of children put on blockers end up being given wrong sex hormones.
According to recent studies, gender-affirming care has psychosocial and mental health benefits for youth. During adolescence, hormone blockers reduce the risk of suicidal ideation.
But other studies have caused several countries to stop the use of blockers for children, and found that gender affirming care does not result in improvement in mental health issues or suicidality. And let’s not forget the damning revelations of the WPATH papers and what they mean for the entire concept of “best practices” in “gender affirming care.”
“These are medications that can save a person’s life,” Pullen Sansfaçon said.
These are experimental procedures that can permanently fuck up a person’s life.
It’s the same thing for gender-affirming surgeries.
Indeed, these can permanently fuck up a person’s life.
The Canadian Paediatric Society says age cutoffs for funding such surgeries vary by province and territory in Canada, but genital reconstructive surgery is restricted to individuals who are 18 or older.
But the genitals aren’t being “reconstructed,” they’re removed and replaced with a non-functioning resemblance of the other sex’s organs. Just as a glass eye is not actually a functional eye that restores sight when worn, a “neo-vagina” isn’t a vagina at all; a “neo-penis” is not a penis. Sexual function is not restored, it is lost.
Top surgery to remove or augment breast tissue is generally limited to those 16 and older.
Using the euphemism “top surgery” to replace the more accurate (and unavoidably more charged) double mastectomy is dishonest and minimalizing. You’re not changing a t-shirt, you’re removing healthy breasts.
A followup with a psychologist is also required. Sam Lajeunesse, a 43-year-old trans man, can attest to its benefits.
What about more psychological consultation beforehand? If gender clinicians were really concerned for their patients’ well-being, the best case scenario would be desistance through watchful waiting. That would be their first, best choice for resolving or dealing with their patients’ issues. A pathway that avoids pharmaceutical and surgical interventions should be considered a better course than one that requires more aggressive “treatment.” But watchful waiting is now off the table, thanks to “experts” like these.
Pullen Sansfaçon said that some effects of hormone therapy can be reversed, sometimes through corrective surgery.
So sometimes the diagnoses are incorrect? Sometimes mistakes are made? And the times when “corrective” surgery can’t “reverse” the effects of hormone therapy? Ooops.
Medical and surgical help for young transgender and non-binary people isn’t new; standards of care have been set by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health since 1998 and have been updated over the years.
Oh dear.
Lajeunesse and Latour describe discussions about their gender identity as a sort of eternal “coming out.”
That makes sense, in that they will never become the sex they are not, whatever the course of “treatment.”
“Often, people will say, ‘You’re a man,’ but no, I’m not a man, I’m a trans woman,” she said with pride. “And sometimes, it’s heavy to always have to explain that you can’t address me as a man.”
But you are a man, and nothing you do, nothing done to you, changes that. And I can address you as a man if I like, because that’s what you are. You might have found doctors willing to cater to your delusions, who in turn encouraged you to force others to do the same, but I will not let you dictate my reality. You are not a woman of any kind, and never will be.
And as for “misinformation,” apart from actual right wing bigots, I doubt you’ll find any amount of deception or dishonesty to match the amount and degree employed by genderists on a regular basis. “Gender affirming” clinicians sell promises of the impossible while trivializing, downplaying, and euphemizing the risks and consequences of the regime they are selling. They have joined in the effort to make talk therapy that might lead to desistance illegal, and made the procedures and treatments they are offering sound harmless and reversible, falsely suggesting they offer their patients some kind of “choice” in matters where they can have none, and the ability to make changes that cannot be made.