He’s STILL willing to make a lowly street level activist a target of unrelenting mockery
Dan Fincke made excellent points in a public post on Facebook sharing a public post by Julia Galef about the Dawkins-NECSS disruption.
1. Dawkins is not just any speaker, he was to be the keynote and he’s got outsized influence in the movement. With greater power comes greater responsibility. Endorsing him to speak is to effectively continue to endorse him as the de facto face of our movement. It is worse when someone of his stature does something like this.
2. Dawkins is also not just any speaker because he is building off his academic stature in gaining his reputation and outsized influence. Standards are different for a professional activist like, say, David Silverman, and a professional. Professionals are expected to police themselves as part of the responsibility that comes with their authority, prestige, and prominence related to their academic titles and institutional affiliations. The idea of tenure is a trust. We trust you to behave professionally and in return you get unrestricted free speech rights. Soft penalties for abusing that authority like being academically shunned or disinvited from speaking opportunities are a relatively a mild form of recourse still left available to chastise someone abusing their professional privileges.
I think he meant a professional academic, or an academic (since professional academic is tautological), rather than just professional. Professional entertainers for instance work under different rules. At any rate, yes, that. Dawkins should police himself as part of the responsibility that comes with his authority, prestige, and prominence related to his academic titles and institutional affiliations – including CFI. He should police himself in order to avoid making CFI look bad by being a bully on Twitter days after the merger was announced.
6. Even after he “took it down” because it was a real person he acted spiteful and petulant in follow up tweets. He started questioning whether she was really harassed (ignoring evidence presented to him) and calling her vile and recommending that this very low totem pole individual who was already disproportionately signaled out for harassment and death threats and mockery be given plenty of more mockery. He’s STILL willing to make a lowly street level activist a target of unrelenting mockery rather than shift the focus to ideas. That’s irresponsible, especially coming from such an extraordinarily powerful person. I agree with those that found her actions in the original video that made her infamous to be repulsively uncivil. But seriously, street level arguments between ideologues are emotional and intense confrontations. They shouldn’t destroy someone’s life. Dawkins and his defenders are constantly bemoaning powerful people being raked through the social media mud over a single comment. But Dawkins is rallying millions of social media followers to redouble their efforts to mock a street level activist for being obnoxious in the heat of an argument? This doesn’t make him unfit to receive continued treatment as the de facto face and voice of our movement? Then this movement is fucked.
That. I couldn’t agree more.
There are seven, they’re all good, you should read them all.
According to Dawkins, Chanty Binx is a vile human being who deserves continuous ridicule. Meanwhile, he listens to Dean Esmay. Who’s Dean Esmay?
This guy:
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/01/13/mens-rights-twitter-activist-dean-esmay-fights-rape-hysteria-snotty-cts-cty-tts/
For more on Dean, visit that site and enter his name in the search bar.
(Dawkins has blocked Dave Futrelle.)
Where are all the brave heros who complained about PZ Myers’ ‘Always Name Names’ post on account of it excusing the alleged abuse of a discursive power differential?
Bruce,
Don’t forget that those same Brave Heroes were positively irate at Rebecca Watson for mentioning the public online comments made by Stef McGraw. Indeed, many of them insist to this date that it was this “sin” of Watson, rather than “guys, don’t do that,” that triggered their fatwa against her.
“This doesn’t make him unfit to receive continued treatment as the de facto face and voice of our movement?”
The bylaws (really just policies of the organization within incorporation as a charity) for expulsion (post #20 at http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2016/if-only-there-had-been-a-friendly-conversation/) are pretty standard. For example
17. Discipline of Members
The Board of Directors shall have authority to suspend or expel any member from the Corporation for any one or more of the following grounds:
1. violating any provision of the articles, by-laws, or written policies of the Corporation;
2. carrying out any conduct which may be detrimental to the Corporation as determined by the Board in its sole discretion;
3. for any other reason that the Board in its sole and absolute discretion considers to be reasonable, having regard to the purpose of the Corporation.
http://centreforinquiry.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/CFI-Canada-Bylaws-Final-June-2014.pdf
D.J. Grothe really is being a bum face. Seems to me he didn’t even read what Fincke wrote.
Oh, wait a second, Lady Mondegreen: Dawkins *blocked* Dave Futrelle? What the what?!? I believe you, but could you post a link to that? Thanks! (fritsin’, fratsin’, what the HELL! How many times do I have to quote “Repo Man”: “I remember when I used to like these guys.”)
*Sigh*
There was a time when Dawkins was one of my heroes. I thought The God Delusion was a tour de force, forcing people to confront questions that needed to be asked. I was a huge admirer of his science.
Then… then I started to learn about his public persona. There was the whole petty Rebecca Watson thing.
And for the love of god someone pry his twitter account out of his hands. Some people use twitter extremely well to make their points. Dawkins is a mess (and that’s putting it kindly and generously).
He’s not a hero anymore.
I’m in two minds about this dis-invitation. Firstly it smacks of the sort of thing that happened to Germaine Greer. There’s a correlation. She’s rude, abrasive, a contrarian, uses hurtful and insulting language to make people confront what she’s saying, doesn’t give a fuck about what people think of her. So does Dawkins.
OTOH, Dawkins has a great deal more social privilege and power than Greer. Does that make a difference? I genuinely don’t know. I have more sympathy for Greer but I think she’s guilty of some of similar offenses as Dawkins. I’m just uncomfortable with no-platforming in general. I guess I’d prefer both of them to be able to speak so they can be challenged – not to change their views, that’s probably not possible – but to provide counter speech to their audiences who may be swayed.
And I cannot type, especially at 7 am, UK time. Or proof read. Sorry! All hail Tpyos!
Steamshovelmama #6, what you said.
Just how much social privilege and power are enough to justify “shunning and disinviting”? Is it only about the “titles and academic affiliations”? Or maybe being a popular book author (how popular?) or a popular journalist (again, how popular?) is enough to qualify? Indeed, my doubts seem to be similar to yours. Yeah, how about “Germaine Greer is not just any speaker. Endorsing her to speak is to effectively continue to endorse her as the de facto face of our movement”?
A more general point is that this could be said about practically any speaker who achieved some level of fame (or, if you prefer, of notoriety). In practical terms, I see this style of an argumentation as opening the door to shunning/disinviting whomever you want. Here is a foolproof recipe: just use the argument with the addition that you consider the person in question powerful or important *enough* to qualify. This will do the trick for you. Not that it will change much, since this is exactly what we have now. “Ban whomever you find inconvenient; cry havoc when the same happens to your friends” – that seems to be the present status quo. Use the sword and die by the sword. Do we really like it? Are we sure that we want it to continue?
I would definitely prefer to have the same standards for Dawkins and Greer, for Yiannopoulos and Julie Bindel, for Maryam Namazie and her Muslim opponents. I dream of having standards which are fairly independent of our political views and sympathies. Very naively, I think that having such standards would make it easier to live together.
Yeah, I know: dream on, silly!
Still, these tweets of Maryam Namazie bring some hope.
One could argue the NECSS decision is ethically troubling: 1) By assuming the NECSS objected to the video itself, and 2) By citing similarities between cases of Dawkins and Greer. Maryam Namazie’s tweets appear along these lines.
Or one could argue: 1) The video is not the only problem, and 2) One could cite differences between cases of Dawkins and Greer.
Dan Finke wrote, “Dawkins is rallying millions of social media followers to redouble their efforts to mock a street level activist for being obnoxious in the heat of an argument,” and, “He’s STILL willing to make a lowly street level activist a target of unrelenting mockery rather than shift the focus to ideas.”
I used to wonder why Dawkins behaves this way; now I simply accept his actions are harmful.