A turning point in the god wars
Mark Vernon is excited that Martin Rees won the Templeton Prize. He sees it as deliberate revenge for something Richard Dawkins said.
Last year, Dawkins published an ugly outburst against the softly spoken astronomer, calling him a “compliant Quisling” because of his views on religion. And now, Rees has seemingly hit back. He has accepted the 2011 Templeton prize, awarded for making an exceptional contribution to investigating life’s spiritual dimension. It is worth an incongruous $1m.
Funny kind of hitting back – it’s not as if Rees awarded himself the prize. It’s also not as if accepting the prize is a way to rebut what Dawkins said. As a matter of fact, it’s more like agreement than rebuttal. Here’s what Dawkins said:
The US National Academy of Sciences has brought ignominy on itself by agreeing to host the announcement of the 2010 Templeton Prize. This is exactly the kind of thing Templeton is ceaselessly angling for – recognition among real scientists – and they use their money shamelessly to satisfy their doomed craving for scientific respectability. They tried it on with the Royal Society of London, and they seem to have found a compliant Quisling in the current President, Martin Rees, who, though not religious himself, is a fervent ‘believer in belief’.
The claim is that Rees is a Quisling for helping Templeton by implicitly endorsing it. Accepting its prize is more of that, so it’s not much of a “hitting back.” You could say it’s a “yes I am and what about it?” but that’s different.
Anyway, Vernon’s real point, of course, is the usual – Dawkins bad, boring, gnu, harsh; Rees good, exciting, un-gnu, mild; atheism bad, religion good, muddled chat about the two meeting in the middle best of all.
The Royal Society lent its prestige to the Templeton Foundation by hosting events sponsored by the fund, which supports a variety of projects investigating the science of wellbeing and faith.
The wut? Wut science? But right: that’s the point: the RS gave the TF prestige by hosting events sponsored by the fund which pretends that science and “faith” can “enrich” each other.
Dawkins and Rees differ markedly on the tone with which the debate between science and religion should be conducted. Dawkins devotes his talents and resources to challenging, questioning and mocking faith. Rees, on the other hand, though an atheist, values the legacy sustained by the church and other faith traditions.
So, Dawkins is evil and Rees is good.
But if [Rees] is modest about what can be achieved for religious belief by science, he insists that scientists should not stray into theological territory that they don’t understand.
Does he insist that theologians should not stray into scientific territory that they don’t understand? Does Vernon? Does Templeton? No, of course not. From that direction it’s all about “enrichment”; it’s only scientists who are kicked off the grass.
…with Rees’s acceptance, the substantial resources of the Templeton Foundation have, in effect, been welcomed at the heart of the British scientific establishment. That such a highly regarded figure has received its premier prize will make it that little bit harder for Dawkins to sustain respect amongst his peers for his crusade against religion.
Or it will make it that little bit harder for his peers to ignore what the Templeton Foundation is doing. That’s at least as likely as Vernon’s dreamy prediction.
When the cultural history of our times comes to be written, Templeton 2011 could be mentioned, at least in a footnote, as marking a turning point in the “God wars”. The power of voices like that of Dawkins and Sam Harris – who will be on the British stage next week – may actually have peaked, and now be on the wane.
Could be. Yup. Maybe. It’s possible. You never know.
Then again, maybe not.
Yeah, I found that article to be a head-scratcher. It would be like if some big-name gnu won the Richard Dawkins Award, and then you wrote an article saying, “Ah hah, it’s a turning point!” Um…. it’s people on one side of the debate giving an award to people on the same side, for the purposes of recognizing their contribution to that side. That’s all great and everything, there’s nothing wrong with that… But uh… How is that evidence of some great victory? Just bizarre…
Glancing at that year-old Dawkins article, this award looks more like a bribe for the Royal Society than anything else. Accepting the Templeton Prize money should be seen as unethical for any former or present member of the Royal Society at this point.
I wonder how everyone would be reacting if this were an organisation devoted tobridging the gap between politics and religion while giving a millionpounds to whichever politician made the most strides ‘forward.’
That is a very good point.
The Templeton Prize has been awarded since 1972. And so far, atheism, agnosticism and ‘Jedi’ have all increased while traditional god-bothering has decreased. In 2005, the Eurobarameter poll indicated that just 52% of Europeans (including Turkey as a European country) believed in God. Twenty-seven percent believed in some sort ‘spirit force’ but not a god. Eighteen percent were fully atheist/agnostic.
So, when I look at trends… I remember that, just a hundred years ago, the top non-religious European countries were, by-and-large, close to fully religious. Even Germany and Austria that were, prior to WWII, the two-most Christian nations in Europe (well over 90% Christian), are running (combined) at 51% with atheism hitting 25% in Germany (less so in Austria).
So, if that’s winning… I’d hate to see losing…
Does he insist that theologians should not stray into scientific territory that they don’t understand? Does Vernon? Does Templeton? No, of course not. From that direction it’s all about “enrichment”; it’s only scientists who are kicked off the grass.
One direction is enrichment while the other one is contamination. Nice.
When the cultural history of our times comes to be written, Templeton 2011 could be mentioned, at least in a footnote, as marking a turning point in the “God wars”. The power of voices like that of Dawkins and Sam Harris – who will be on the British stage next week – may actually have peaked, and now be on the wane.
If the task of writing that history fell into Vernon’s hands, sure it would. And not just in a footnote. One full chapter would be devoted to it.
Now here I’d be wondering about bribery. Anybidy from the USNAS seen returning from the Templeton Fdn with a large brown paper bag.
I think the Templeton Fdn has hacked my keyboard. I meant “anybody,” of course, and to have a question mark at the end.
I don’t understand why Mark Vernon is so excited, even by his own lights. Because a religious organization gave money to someone who supports them? Does he think that this has never happened before? Is it also a death-blow to atheism every time a priest or a rabbi collects his denominational paycheck?
That said, it’s pretty easy to see what motivates him:
“I often write about the relationship between science and religion, and have been a Templeton-Cambridge Journalism Fellow, the beneficiary of a first-rate seminar programme organised by Cambridge academics, funded by the Templeton Foundation.”
You’d think that Templeton could find some supporters outside the ranks of people they’ve coopted.
Hey, Richard Dawkins likes evensong just as much as Martin Rees:
Perhaps they could split the prize?
And when people read the footnote to see what amazing breakthrough marked the turning point in the “God wars,” they will see the significant quotation from the Templeton 2011 recipient:
And then all the other atheists followed suit, and the war was over.
That’s why they’re called “People of Faith.” I guess.
I keep hearing about this alleged relationship but it all seems very confusing to me. I studied sciences and mathematics at university but, strangely, it was never related to religion. I’ve read many science books since then but they never mention religion. I was raised in catholicism, until I got better, but strangely it was never related to science – quite the opposite in fact. Do you think, if I asked very nicely, that this nice Mr Vernon could actually define what this relation is? Oh I do hope so…
Oh I’ve been asking Mr Vernon for years. No he won’t answer!
Sure: science is the brain, but religion is the heart.
That’s such a nice answer.
And oh yes: the universe and everything in it was deliberately designed and created by a superhuman, supernatural Intelligence (or, that’s just a metaphor for something transcendentally deep and mysterious) That’s in the heart part. Our brains are for finding ways and figuring out means to sort of see how this might kinda work. Or, alternately, for deciding to let the heart handle it, and mind its own business.
No, you may not nicely ask. You’re mocking Mr. Vernon, which is not nice. Therefore you don’t get an answer, and because you’ve been so bad the rest of the world doesn’t get an answer either.
This is what pisses me off. The anti-gnuish camp has painted themselves into a corner where they have to treat any and all questions about science/religion compatibility not as if they were elements in a public debate, but instead represent eruptions of personal hostility, a sign of the low character of the questioner, and a legitimate excuse to avoid the question.
My beef is that this is deeply wrong, not because people are not hostile to views they are convinced are mistaken. They frequently are, and sometimes in ways that are mocking and contemptuous. But what has that got to do with the obligation to answer the substantive points that have been raised? Where did our opponents get the idea that because someone was mean to them they don’t have to explain themselves?
eruptions of personal hostility’ seems to characterise very well Hoffman’s recent flailings. as well as the little screed by Vernon who, like his fellow Grauniad commentator, Andrew Brown, seems not to be a nice person, but a throroughly nasty piece of work.
And I meant that ‘throroughly’!
Perhaps they aren’t nice people, but you know what? I don’t care. Not much, anyway. Let them be the way they are, but let them make interesting, thought provoking arguments. I have this idea that people should be making the best case for any examined idea, like William James did with religion (he didn’t think it was true, but tried very hard to find rational reasons for it anyway). I’m not sure James didn’t bend over backwards a little in his effort to be fair-minded.
I’d like to see one of our opponents take a larger view of New Atheism, somewhat in the spirit of James, one that didn’t dwell on personal things but attempted to understand better how it has come about. I don’t want to feel I’m wasting my time reading another boring tale of gnuish perfidy which is ultimately about nothing. If I want a meaningless insult-fest I’ll watch Larry David.
So, Vernon likes that Rees has received this award but thinks the associated award of $1M is out of step (Too little? Too much?) with the prestige of the prize? Or does he think that ‘incongruous’ is a nice sounding word that adds to his intellectuality without actually knowing what the word means?
Unlike those other people, like Dawkins and Hawkings and Hitchens and Dennett and anyone like them, who abhor the big questions.
Because Rees is the heart of the British scientific establishment. No, no, wait! Rees is Science!
Oh, Vernon, you do make me smile.
Maybe in order to ask the BIG QUESTIONS one has to be into both science and religion. Whatever.
Though let me say right now that I wouldn’t mind a million bucks. I wouldn’t sell my soul for it, but I’d happily walk naked down the main street of any nominated city for it: except Kabul, Baghdad, Cairo, Tehran… Well, any city where the population was not in thrall to clerics, and therefore on my list of possibles.
Someone said once somewhere that science gives answers to what? how? when? but only religion can answer the question why?
Perhaps its time that the Templeton Foundation acknowledged that whenever any religion tries to answer why, it falls flat on its face. Every time.
Otherwise, as winner on the biggest question of all, some religion would be way out in front today. Templeton wouldn’t need to pay out no million dollar prizes to prominent scientists like Rees to make it look like religion is still in the game.
If I were Rees I would be scratching my head all the way to the bank.
With the odd chuckle.
In that one sentence, Vernon has revealed far more about his position than in any of his (many) attack pieces on Dawkins. In fact, that phrase “Turning point” says it all. Deep down, Vernon believes that he’s losing! This latest piece of desperate wishful thinking only confirms it.
That’s the only direction it can work: science can “enrich” religion all day long but religion can’t “enrich” science no matter how charitable one might feel. It’s the same relationship between a circus and a palace. Whether a circus takes place in a field or in a palace it all the same for the circus but the palace is left with nothing but elephant sh!t to clean up.
There are worse things to clean up than elephant shit.
That’s not an aphorism, just a factual statement.
Reading Rees’s speech and interview its hard to find much to disagree with. When asked if he believes in god he even says “which god?” which I always think is the best (initial) answer. Saying that Hawking’s views have no “special weight” because he hasn’t read much philosophy or theology was clearly wrong, after all if anyone has greater knowledge of whether a god is needed to create the universe then surely it is physicists in that field rather than philosophers. Similarly most people here would disagree with his point about “forcing” a choice between “god and Darwin” and the rather poor term “professional atheists”. However, throughout the interview he consistently evades the interviewer’s prodding to say nice things about religion.
You can’t blame him for being a bit hacked off with Richard Dawkins, as I think calling Rees a “compliant quisling” was one of the very few cases of RD being a bit “strident”, though obviously a lot less strident than all the people who call him strident.
Vernon’s piece was indeed total nonsense though. I really resent people being paid to produce stuff like that.
I’ve been to several seminars at Green College Oxford, but none since it became Green Templeton. I must ask whether this is because they refuse to accept our seminars now, or whether it just happened that way.
Hmmm, there might be something to this aphorism. After all, the heart is the most important organ in our circulatory system, and it seems religion also deals in blood quite a lot. So they’ve got that in common…
Also, all joy and hopefulness originates in the brain, none of it in the heart. So there’s that, too…
Yeah, I think that aphorism is pretty much right on the money!
Radio 4’s piece on this this morning was very entertaining. As usual they tried to get two pundits to disagree in a “heated debate” but made the mistake of inviting Lewis Wolpert and Pete Atkins, who quickly found common ground and agreed with each other, much to their hosts discomfiture.
[…] Meanwhile, over at Butterflies and Wheels, Ophelia Benson’s angle is that Vernon is playing the old “good atheist” vs “bad atheist” game. […]