The prodigal returns
So, remember a month ago I wondered about this new Mystery Commenter who went by the name “Hammill” and whose central, indeed almost only, subject seemed to be the sadly naughty ways of the gnu atheists, and who showed a strangely excessive interest in me, and Jerry Coyne, and me again? Remember how I said it reminded me of someone? Remember how I said that someone was “Tom Johnson”/You’re Not Helping/William?
Well that’s who it is. I’ve been able to confirm it.
So?
So the discussion has been distorted by a guy with a known agenda and history posing as someone new and unknown. Someone who frowned gently in concern that people disagreed with Chris Mooney. Someone who worries about people “throwing around” the word “lies”…
Just look at the terms used to describe positions: unfair representation, misrepresentation, intellectual dishonesty. I think the terms “lies” and “deliberate distortion” have been thrown around in the past. I realize that much of that language stems from the “blood feud” you mention above, but the division seems great and very real. IMO the blood feud is getting in the way of actual progress.
That’s Tom Johnson, the guy who lied about that notorious conference where the notorious things he described didn’t happen. That’s YNH, who repeatedly said on his blog I was telling lies here. That’s Milton C, who told lies about me in comments here.
So?
So he’s saddened by the rough and tumble of the “blogosphere“:
Part of me almost wishes that the entire debate were taking place in a refereed journal rather than the blogosphere, due to the inherent incivility that the internet brings. Perhaps that could corral the personal disputes a bit and focus a laser beam on the core issues.
That’s YNH, who knows a thing or two about incivility on the internet!
He spent the months between July and January honing his skills, perhaps. He was a good bullshitter, for awhile.
There are much deeper issues at play in terms of communication than “stop being so loud” and “stop talking so frequently.” The issue seems much more nuanced and complex than this, perhaps by several orders of magnitude; however, I believe it often erroneously gets simplified down to the statement above, and the debate suffers because of it.
Sounds convincing, doesn’t he.
He didn’t, quite, to me, even then. People don’t usually talk that stiffly on blogs. He was hyper-correcting, as it were. And then where had he come from, all of a sudden? He seemed awfully familiar with the subject matter for someone unknown. But I was only generally suspicious. At first.
But so what?
So he poisoned the well, that’s what.
I appreciate this piece very much, Andrew. I’m a nonbeliever that is frequently ashamed to be associated with some of the vitriol that comes from our side of the aisle. We need more people, like yourself, to speak out for a positive, forward-looking kind of nonbelief….
….even if doing so only directs the vitriol in your direction. I’ve noticed the link above leads to site where you are being accused of not being a nonbeliever simply for your opinions on tone. Furthermore, some of the vitriol and invective (ignorant, arrogant, immoral, unethical, bitter, bullsh@t, etc.) directed at you is disturbing. Include the discussion about what to call “pseudoatheists” like yourself and the message seems clear: the goal is to marginalize you and bully you into not seeking to take nonbelief in a positive direction.
“The link above” is, of course, to B&W. I loom large in his pantheon of hate-objects. He’s doing his little bit to swell the chorus of hatred against the evil gnus, and he’s doing it in a mask, because all his previous masks got covered in excrement which won’t wash off.
And not just once. Another opportunity presented itself, and there he was, all eager for the treat:
I can agree with much of the substance coming out of the gnu atheist community but cringe mostly at its delivery. At times the rhetoric and invective makes me embarrassed to even be associated with them, however tangentially, as a nonbeliever.
Same old thing. That was when I really suspected he was TJ, and I confronted him:
We’ve seen this kind of thing before.
Will you be shyly confiding in “Rob” about your experiences at conservation conferences soon?
Who are you?
As far as I know he hasn’t commented since. Sad for him. But he’s had plenty of effect, there’s no reason to doubt that. That bolus of antignu hatred is larger than it would have been without him.
Update: and see Paul W’s comment on the stranger thread. Says it all.
If “Hammill” is “Tom Johnson” it is time for all those who know his real identity to publicly post it.
In the past, all the folks who had discovered Johnson’s identity, including Gnu’s and Accomodationists, all kept it secret, saying that he’s young, it would hurt his career, and he’ll never do it again so no reason to reveal his name. If he’s up to his old tricks, then all that goes out the window and it is time for him to have some personal accountability for his actions.
Yes, I think so. We should probably get agreement on that first, so that no one has to do it unilaterally.
Wow, good spot, if it is TJ (not sure, but curious, how you confirmed it?). What are the ramifications for him? Didn’t he make certain assurances about his behaviour?
It’s kind of depressing that it’s not possible to take random commenters on good faith, but that’s probably too much to ask, I guess. What in the world is the source of this irrational anger, that drives him to worse behaviour than he deplores?
By the way, for the record, I fucking did not say he’s young, it would hurt his career, and he’ll never do it again so no reason to reveal his name. On the contrary. I kept his secret because everyone else was, and that’s about it.
IP address. I can’t give more details.
I thought he’d given assurances, but I think that may have been wrong. I’m awaiting further information.
Good question. Probably the same as JS’s, but I don’t know what that is either.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that was a statement by you or that you agreed with it. I apologize for the false implication. Those were some of the excuses given by various people at the time the TJ affair blew up–excuses that all bugged me because I had zero confidence that someone who went to such elaborate lengths to use lies to slander people and create dissension would entirely give up doing so, especially if there were zero consequences for his earlier actions, not even so much as having his name exposed.
I would go along with the suggestion that this guy needs to be exposed. Unless there are legal problems in doing so. And I suggest the same applies to any other academic who practices this kind of potentially damaging unethical vendetta.
If this is true, and I accept it is if Ophelia says it is, then this guy really takes the cake. I think he ought to be outed, he hasn’t learnt.
This is really quite incredible! He’s still at it, after all this time! What does it take to expose a wretch like this? What kinds of agreements need to be in place? How is it done? Surely, there’s no reason that this person should be able to continue to hide behind masks if he’s still doing it. This is beyond belief. Does you know, Ophelia — since you obviously know who he is — what it is that motivates him?
Time for exposure, as it’s clear that he isn’t going to stop with his coy games and carrying on with the whole “I’m concerned” shtick.
TJ just can’t leave it alone. He “promised” he’d retreat back to the University of Some Southern State and shut up. He couldn’t do it. The only reason not to out him now is that TJ’s buddy, Ol’ Josh R, would whine and cry and carry on. I don’t know if we could stand to read Josh’s whines about how mean and cruel those gnu atheists are, picking on a pathological liar.
It’s time to get all CONSERVATION EVENTS on his ass; shouted forced laughter and such.
There is a great post over in the other section by Paul W., noting that TJ is a serial liar who has frequently, and falsely, “fully confessed.”
http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2011/and-then-a-stranger-rode-into-town/#comment-75581
However, unlike Paul W., I think the time to name TJ is long past. People have been acting like it is a legitimate state secret or that revealing his name would be like outing some poor fellow, like an earnest atheist priest or something. TJ is a destructive, serial liar. Keeping his secret enables him. What is up with the multi-disciplinary conspiracy to help this serial liar stay anonymous? Keeping TJs name secret just enables and encourages him to continue doing what he enjoys: lying and fomenting dissent without consequence.
I don’t want to just randomly pop in every other month and be a contrarian, especially when most of my experience with this blog is reading and thinking everything you do here is tremendous, especially on the “atheists are mean” issue which irks me to no end (and now he’s going to say “but….”)
However, I’m not sure it would be good to actively seek out ways to harm someones career and professional prospects for almost any reason, which Paul W. seems to suggest be done. It should only be considered if it’s the Right Thing To Do. Not be bandied about as a negotiating chip to win TJ’s good behavior (or absence).
If revealing that they are the same person is directly relevant to defusing a hornets nest of trouble/misunderstandings that they have stirred up, then maybe(!) something is in order. And even then I would urge restraint and creativity so as to minimize the disclosure of info as much as possible, and not to make yourselves part of the story.
No, I don’t know a ton about the recent shenanigans (and Paul W.’s comment doesn’t have much in the way of specifics or links), so there’s surely more going on that I’m unaware of (does it amount to just leaving a whole bunch of dishonest comments everywhere?). But I’d rather TJ get away with being a douchebag if I have to choose. And can’t you just ban him? If the various Hammills and TJs and whoever else’s have the same IP just IP ban the mfer.
Josef – there is a lot to this. But TJ has done a great deal of harm to the public image of people who matter, like Ophelia. Her stock in trade is her writing, and like all of us, her reputation. Why should “TJ” be allowed to fuck that up while suffering no consequences at all while Ophelia should forebear as her actual name is tarnished?
If the various Hammills and TJs and whoever else’s have the same IP just IP ban the mfer.
Not sure Ophelia can ban him from blogs and other sites that are not hers. She’s powerful, but internet powerful?
It’s an old, old lesson. Never accept sociopathy as resolved.
That’s a good one, Ken!
It’s an old, old lesson. Never accept sociopathy as resolved.
Is that an implicit attack on me! Where’s my axe?
I agree. I don’t think any threats should be made to TJ, implied or otherwise.
TJ is a bully. He’ll recognize threats for what they mostly are: nothing. If people were going to do something they would do it rather than talk about it. Idle threats are something people who act like victims make–which is pure bully bait and just encourages TJ. Also, as repugnant as TJ has been, I’m not sure that any of what he has done has necessarily been legally actionable, nor necessarily the proper preview of an academic honor code, so I don’t really see some of the implied legal or accademic threats as being a good idea.
What I do see as being a good idea is making TJ be at least minimally accountable for his actions: name him. No threats, none of that questionable stuff. Just name him. Simple. Stop treating his real name as if it is a legitimate state secret. He isn’t a persecuted minority, he isn’t some innocent writer with a fatwah on his head in hiding, he isn’t a battered spouse. He just just a lying jerk who some how manages to charm/guilt/whatever people into protecting his identity so that he can continue to be unaccountable for his ongoing deceits.
Josh,
Then how about some exposé that retells the story & includes screenshots of the matching IPs, but that refrains from naming names and institutions? And then lobbying for some acknowledgement from relevant blogs?
Yes, people can figure some stuff out from IPs, but you would at least be forcing readers to do that work instead of doing it for them, which makes personal & career harm less likely. How about only talking about who TJ/Hammill is insofar as it is directly relevant to revealing their dishonesty in comment sections and folding it into a larger narrative of the social phenomenon of overreaction to the “gnus”?
I may be overly cynical, but I’m not sure I even think outing this little wank will even hurt him that much. Professionally, at least.
As, seriously, there are a lot of sleazeballs in the world whose own ends benefit from the kind of excrement he’s been throwing, and they will make excuses for him. There’ve been voices making excuses for him all along, trying to equivocate, to imply he’s just giving it back, since surely those evil Gnus have also had socks on their side, and/or surely what he and his myriad of alter egos claimed was true in somehow and in some world, if not exactly this one…
Seriously, I still say out him. If for no other reason: because, to reference a phrase, the truth matters…
But look: he’ll still find friends, as he has all along.
We will still know the lot of them by the company they keep, however.
(/As we have all along, really.)
1. How about you tell me why TJ’s “personal and career harm” is more important than Ophelia’s? Seriously, I’d like to know. Think about that for a minute before you answer.
2. Google is your friend. If you want to know the backstory, it’s easily found. Here, I’ll help you:
http://thebuddhaisnotserious.wordpress.com/2010/06/19/the-curious-case-of-the-youre-not-helping-blog/
Didn’t Josh R or one of the other fainting couch denizens get Very Offended by your suggestion that he was TJ? And weren’t you called paranoid? Yup, I did remember that thread correctly! Hilarious. Josh can go F himself.
Personally, if he did it, he should man up and take the consequences. However, would it really affect him, or could he then declare himself a martyr of the vicious gnu atheists, and claim his Templeton prize? Go on a speaking tour with the DI hacks who claim religious persecution – I mean, entirely scientific ID persecution? He’ll be held up as a poster child for the evil bastards we are…without ever saying what he did, of course. That would be uncivil.
Edit after I posted – I could see “man up” as being sexist, so I do want to apologize if that was a poor choice of words. I was really thinking in terms of an adult/child rather than male/female, but could have said it better.
Im embarassed to admit that i too thought Ophelia was being a little too paranoid when I read the stranger in town post. But then considering that I had once engaged 5 sockpuppets at the same time , I shouldnt be surprised that I was taken in by Hammill again.
A scientific-minded atheist always wants some concrete evidence, lest we go down a path of unsubstantiated hypotheses.
People can fake IP addresses.
Perhaps a detailed textual comparison would be in order, for the sake of evidence.
I’ve previously lobbied against his identity being revealed. Reading his real name on our screens, I argued then, won’t undo what’s been done.
In light of this news that he’s still at it, I’ve changed my mind. I hope his name gets published.
What’s most amusing about all of this is, now that he’s developed such a distinct pattern of behavior, no one familiar with it can possibly take any criticism of Gnus seriously – they’ll just think it’s another manifestation of the same idiot. Nice job, Chuckles!
C’mon, Ophelia, cry Havoc and let the info out. I think potential employers really need to be able to find this guy easily with a web search. Or just leave the documents sitting out someplace where a blogger who doesn’t care about unilateralism can see them…
He should be burnt at the stake with all tone control knobs. Out the bastard. Gaddafi will hire him.
I normally look at Paul W’s posts and think: “That’s exactly what I wanted to say, I wish I had written that”.
On this occasion, however, I have to disagree. I’ve followed this story from the beginning and have watched how it has developed both during and after the (anonymous!) exposure of this fairly blatant fraud. I think it is a mistake to start suggesting damaging scenarios involving his university or career.
For all we know there will be zero consequences to his future from any exposure. People lie all the time on the internet and suffer no ill consequences whatsoever. Furthermore, try examining the evidence as to how the initial ‘exposure’ panned out.
As far as I can judge it, the following happened:
1. The Gnus were disgusted with TJs behavior and after his sockpuppetry was revealed by the blogger ‘thebuddhaisnotserious’ Jerry Coyne made an agreement with TJ that TJ would stop dishonestly lying about particular Gnus, stop making offensive sexist remarks online and stop attempting to get people who disagreed with him fired. Carrying out his side of the deal guaranteed that TJs real life identity was kept secret.
2. The accomodationists in general failed to see the big deal with the behavior of TJ. It was only after the extent of TJs sockpuppetry was revealed by others that Mooney took it somewhat seriously despite the fact that Mooney could have looked at the IP addresses and seen the extent of deception in an instant. In fact Mooney still hasn’t come clean as to to the identity of all the TJ sockpuppets on his site. As for other accomodationists like Kazez, well her behavior in this affair is not exactly a shining example of moral rectitude. The general attitude was that what TJ did was not particularly serious. At the same time you could read between the lines and discern a feeling of “well, TJ didn’t behave in an ideal manner but he did it for a good cause so lets not be so hard on him.”
3. Nobody else gave a damn about the entire affair. (Yes, Phil Plait, I’m thinking of you!).
Putting together this ‘evidence’ I would suggest that the most likely scenario for TJ is not career destruction but little or no negative side effects of his behavior whatsoever. In fact he has shown himself to be a very effective propaganda tool for the accomodationists – his exhibit A testimony is still far and away the best evidence produced for the destructive effects of gnu atheism. If he goes into political science, media studies or advertisement (or writing for The Philosophers Magazine) then he may have a bright future ahead of himself.
My conclusion is that involving his University in any further discussion of this matter is currently unwarranted. Revealing his real name, IP address etc may only be warranted for those likely to be affected by his ongoing activities. Josh Rosenau implied that he would have shared IP address information about TJ if he had been asked so I think its fair to say that we have agreement with at least one accomodationist that sharing information about TJ between bloggers is a reasonable thing to do, presumably to avoid sock puppetry.
That said, there are a lot of us who have our own blogs and who have been affected by TJ. Therefore there are a lot who should be informed about TJ – perhaps not in a public ‘outing’ but in a private ‘need to know’ basis. I have a blog and I have been attacked by TJ in the past on the Intersocksion so count me in.
By the way, Ophelia, what about Signal/RPS? Is there any connection to TJ there?
Out him/her. If he really believes what he writes he will stand up, under his/her own name and say so.
Given that this guy has shown no compunction whatsoever about smearing real live people with actual names and reputations to defend, the time to worry about unilateralism is past. Let’s have the name out in the open.
Doesn’t have to be in the form of an attack, or even an accusation: just “We have reason to believe that person X is the commenter variously known as TJ, YNH, Hammill…” and let the net take it from there.
I think Tom Johnson is every bit as deserving of his pseudonym as the people he smeared. I mean, Ophelia Benson, who believes that? It’s probably Cordelia Bjornsdottir or something. Right? Of course, right.
:)
This guy is the epitome of useless mindsluttery.
On no – wait. That’s what Julie/YNH/TJ called me. Not as heinous as the words and posts used against you Ophelia (or against Jerry Coyne or Greg Laden) but this guy went out of his way to slag plenty of people using his collection of knee, tube and argyle supporters. Not all of us got the dubious benefit of hearing an apology or speaking to a faculty advisor so small wonder people want him outed.
For myself I admit I’m more curious than directly wronged. That said, his ratty socks with buttons dangling off their faces have still driven the “look! not all atheists are so mean” false narrative much further than it would have been without them.
I’d like someone to name him and make him walk barefoot like the rest of us.
I’m trying to figure out why anyone would defend TJ. I can understand the desire to place the individual argument fron and center (on Mr. Rosenau’s blog Johnson and Hammil had a few posts I remember being well argued) but why shouldn’t and individual be held accountable for what they’ve said? He doesn’t live in a totalitarian state and it is unlikely he’ll suffer any bodily harm (though a few punches for insults like ‘mindsluttery’ sound fine to me). At most he’ll have to deal withpeople familiar with his story challenging him to defend his actions or simply mocking him for being a prat.
I grant that it looks a lot like outing might be the only way to stop him from doing more damage. On the other thread, Josh Rosenau asks “… what harm did he do to me, to Kazez, or to gnus? ” He has done considerable damage, because his lies about gnus have made it seem as if our behaviour a) is much worse than it really is and b) bothers a great many more people than it actually does. The initial damage is compounded, because, I fear, many more have heard the general accusations against us flying around than are interested in following the trail to see that it has mainly been a pack of lies. Make no mistake, TJ has clearly had an agenda, a plan, has been as consistent as possible in following it through despite many setbacks and has largely succeeding in the main aim of making us, as a group, even bigger pariahs than when he started, scarcely possible as that may seem.
By all means out him, if it will finally end his reign of sneaky terror. Far more important than what happens to him as an individual, however, is what happens to us as a group. The many mainstream articles attacking us that have been wafted aloft on the stink he created need now to be followed by a louder noise exposing how a campaign of lying has been carried out against us.
What TJ has done is horrible and nobody who backed him up can now pretend to have been fighting on the right side. Being caught out three times and each time having pulled in all or some of our opponents is something we must now turn to our advantage by making it clear how hollow the campaign against us has been. To us it seems clear that the big picture around the TJ story is a big vindication for us and a big blow for accommodationists. Our job now is to make sure that’s the way others also see it.
@38: but “being mocked for being a prat” is the worst thing that can ever possibly happen to anyone ever- that’s why Civility is so important!
For some reason I’m getting ideas for a Civilisation spin-off called Civility. “The Mongols are beseiging your capital with plague catapults. Choose an appropriately sternly worded reply expressing your disapproval without insulting your attackers.”
josef johann
I think he should be outed – because it is the right thing to do. He is a serial liar who will ruthlessly set out to destroy his “opponents.” I would not trust his research to be honest and, given his behaviour online and the fact that he didn’t stop despite being warned off by his university – I would not put it past him to treat his workplace colleagues in a similar manner.
That asshole is a threat, in other words, to every good scientist in his field that might disagree with him.
Did Rosenau really ask “… what harm did he do to me, to Kazez, or to gnus? ” ?
Is he so lacking in awareness of how others perceive him that he does not realise his uncritical support of Tom Johnson (Rosenau was posting praising “You’re Not Helping2 even as TJ’s antics were becoming public knowledge) has made him look less than honest ?
To Josef (#14)
Our society publishes the names of those who break the law in part to protect the public who would otherwise assume wrongdoers were trustworthy. We make exceptions, notably for minors.
So, for similar reasons, this student’s name was not revealed when he transgressed the first time, using subterfuge to protect himself from recriminations and slandering honest people right and left. When he was found out, his name was withheld in effect because he was taken as a minor, intellectually; he’s just a puppy, don’t kick him. He apologized abjectly, as I recall, and solemnly undertook not to do it again. (As I understood it the dean of his university looked into what sanctions might be appropriate within the university community, but I don’t know what came of that.)
So he’s had his second chance. His apology is now seen to be insincere and he’s broken his word not to do it again.
WHY on earth should his name not be made public now? How long do you expect people to tolerate his behavior while treating him as if he needed protection from the big bad world? Why should he get to hide, again, from public shame?
He takes the goodwill of you and people like you and hides behind it, only to dodge out and throw slime on people he irrationally dislikes. Then he ducks back behind you and his other champions and says “but I’m only a kid, you can’t ruin my career”.
My own opinion is that he probably needs a pshrink, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be named to the world so that honest people out here can beware of him. Yes, he’ll still come up with more aliases for his mud-slinging on the internet, but the warning is still useful. Would you want to hire this guy? If you hired him and found out he had a history of doing this repeatedly but being protected by institutions such as his university, wouldn’t you think that protection had served you badly, that the wrong party was being protected?
Matt asks:
So as not to be accused of taking too much context away, here’s the whole paragraph as Rosenau posted it on the B&W thread a few hours ago (http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2011/and-then-a-stranger-rode-into-town/#comment-75568):
To address the “it would damage his reputation and so damage his career” argument: Reputations exist for a reason. He should gain a reputation as a defamatory, vendetta-pursuing, serial liar, as there is every indication that he will try to do it again. A reputation for this type of this behaviour will help to protect future victims. (Whilst reputations can be unfair, or ill-deserved, this doesn’t apply here.) By asking for his reputation to be protected, you are asking for an academic group to run the risk of being poisoned by harassment, deceit and spite. Why should a group of innocent people take such a risk for the benefit of a vindictive liar? Why should they risk their careers for his?
…or to summarise: Out the mother-effer.
Meanwhile, Jeremy thinks that the really big news in this battle is that about a year ago Jerry decided that Michael Ruse was 35% less of a clueless gobshite than PZ thinks he is. I can’t tell him that I think the lying antics of TJ are more serious than three people going under their real names being less than polite to each other, because Jeremy has indicated fairly clearly that he will do all the telling, by switching off comments.
But just in case you’re reading this, Jeremy, that is what I do think and I am much more curious about why you hate us so much than I am angry with you for seemingly wanting to add to our existing marginalisation.
From his blog, Jeremy S strikes me as very vain. silly and unpleasant person, without much of a sense of humour or mischief; the last deficiency – the lack of a sense of humour or mischief – seems typical of the critics of gnu atheists: Jean Kazez, Unlovely Andrew and all.
Well, there’s a kind of a faux-lightheartedness about it in Jeremy’s case, that looks like it’s designed as a defence against being called out for the venom.
I want to understand more than I want to condemn, because we can only tackle something successfully if we understand the roots properly.
Tom Johnsons promise after his exposure on ‘thebuddhaisnotserious’ makes interesting reading in light of current events:
So, he promises not to blog or comment again anywhere (my emphasis) Period. And he apologises – to Chris and Sheril (! why to those two rather than the actual targets of his maliciousness?)
As for him not blogging or commenting again, that sounds a little harsh but is, perhaps, an understandable solution to a serial sockpuppet liar scenario. In my opinion it was more the fact that he was inventing characters to carry out and back up these lies that was the problem. If he was to carry on as before but in an identifiable way, even an anonymous way – just continue using the Tom Johnson name, for instance – there would have been little complaints (probably because nobody would have listened to him, since he is a proven liar).
This has gone on too long and has become repetitive; I say out the terrible shit.
That will at least provide us with a new (gnu?) soubriquet for anonymous concern trolls.
However I suspect that the only long term result for “Tom Johnson”’s career is that he’ll find himself on the fast-track for a Templeton award.
Argument against: He hasn’t violated any conditions of parole, as it were, and his exposure would be used as vindication. Didn’t we tell you that Ophelia wouldn’t be able to resist ruining the kid’s life?
Argument for: His identity should never have been protected in the first place. The guy has a malicious personality, and what he is capable of should be known to everyone who works with him. And to his family, for that matter.
Ken Pidcock said:
Did he have any conditions placed on himself other than the self-imposed ones mentioned above?
Come to think of it, his punishment is rather like the way Ricky Gervais describes God punishing the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. “Crawling on your belly for the rest of your days is not exactly a big punishment for a snake. I bet he couldn’t believe his luck”
Out him. While I respect an individual’s right to privacy, in this case we have a dishonest psychopath and repeat offender who clearly intends to abuse the privilege of privacy. Time to shine a light on the roach.
Wot PZ said…
That PZ neh? What a tone gnob!
A link from today’s Arts & Letters Daily.
Yer an amateur, Hammill.
Ophelia Benson:
Who’s “we”? How many people actually know his powerword? I’ve heard that you know, as do Jerry Coyne and Chris Mooney. Are there many other people?
Am I correct in thinking that we have not revealed his true identity in a public place yet? Wanna?
Interesting…..do you really think he has MBI?
A friend just reminded me of the wise Dr Benway’s advice concerning narcissists (some long time back on RD.net)
“Bag, tag, release.”In other words…1) work them out, 2) give them the correct label and 3) have no more to do with them – no matter how sorry they say they are.He’s been bagged, now he needs tagging so people will be able to release him.
All right then.
He’s Walter Smith, Wally to his friends. He’s a grad student in biology at the University of Alabama @ Tuscaloosa.
And with all due respect to Josef @ 14 – I just don’t see any reason not to out him – any moral or ethical reason, that is. I don’t see any sense at all in which his anonymity deserves to be protected.
Not exactly, but I imagine he found the solidarity with his feigned outrage that was shown by the Intersection crowd deeply satisfying, and it’s fair to suspect that YNH was an effort to get a bigger dose. So there’s some similarity.
Now for a game of Where’s Wally. :-)
I suppose it had to be done, but it certainly doesn’t make me happy. We could have left him alone, if only he’d left us alone.
Well Mr Smith is pretty easy to find.
Wally Smith.
Okay then.
I’m reminded of the Justice League Unlimited episode where Lex Luthor discovers the Flash’s secret identity.
Tuscaloosa….that works.
In the US it’s called “Where’s Waldo” for some reason. According to Chris Mooney, it’s the fault of the New Atheists.
Stewart @ 65 –
See? That’s why I didn’t out him last summer – I didn’t want the moral opprobrium. But I don’t get it – I don’t see why it’s wrong to reveal his identity when he’s been using pseudonymity to tell giant serial lies about real people who go by their own real names.
The only reason it’s “bad” for him to be outed is that now he will be connected to the bad things that TJ/YNH/Hammill did. Well why shouldn’t he be connected to the bad things he did? He did them! It’s just an artefact of the internet that one can use fake names that way; that doesn’t make it something that deserves deference from everyone else.
*checks to see if the world has imploded*
Nope.
How anticlimatic…
It might take a while before we know if there has been any damage to Mooney’s or Rosenau’s heads. They were not the sharpest knives in the drawer to begin with.
Having been part of the internet culture for 15+ years, I am never happy about someone’s true identity being revealed without their consensus.
Having said that, the only person responsible for the outing in this case, is Walter Smith himself, and I fully support Ophelia’s decision to reveal his name (not that she needs my support).
Ophelia,
Hope you didn’t misunderstand me to mean I was criticising you. I wasn’t and he played himself into this corner. I meant that after all the shitty things he did, I feel no joy at him finally being hit back or anything and whatever impact this has on his future is something he seems to have been chasing. It’s simply sad that a human being who might have had some promise goes and destroys himself this way.
That said, I can think of some people who will villify you as never before because of this
I’ve found his site, a herpetology conservation forum.
Apparently he’s very interested in preserving rattlesnakes!
Brava. For what my opinion is worth: this is only right.
I just checked out a photo of him.
Pity, no horns or forked tail.
He does seem to call himself Wally though, which caused a snigger.
Now we can look forward to blog posts about all the terrible, terrible harm that’s been inflicted upon poor Wally Smith, whose only crime was in disagreeing with the Gnus.Do you think Chris, Sheril, and Josh will all speak at the mock funeral, or will it just be Walter himself wearing a bunch of masks? I’m almost excited to see how he manages to be his own pallbearers and the body in the casket at the same time.
From the depredations of Gnu Atheists?
(Are we against snakes? I thought that was a religious thing.)
Well, y’know, Brownian, he’s probably in terrible, mortal danger, now…
(/I mean, I hear when the Templeton people throw the money through your window, if you don’t duck, the sheer weight of the bag can cause serious injury.)
On a lighter note, here’s the amusing idea of deluging Jeremy in the gnu incivility he wants to document, much to his apparent annoyance. Some people are never satisfied: http://www.daylightatheism.org/2011/03/an-open-letter-to-jeremy-stangroom.html#comment-64161
Ha! That’s hilarious, Stewart. Tragic, but hilarious.
Aj at #67, your Lex Luthor outing Flash comment almost made coffee come out of my nose.
Looking at his blogger profile, I wonder how many of his co-bloggers there are really. And it’s kind of funny he says he “pretend”s to be an outdoor writer.
Confession! </witchsmeller>
I generally expect things to not be confidential on a site I haven’t paid for, no matter what the site’s policy is. If you use something for free, you don’t get rights. Any policy is based on manners and goodwill, and it seems to me that those have been strained beyond breaking point here.
I guess we’re not helping, even when we’re helping.
But is such two-faced behaviour from the antiGnus surprising?
In this description (http://www.onearth.org:8887/node/1090) of that fateful conservation meeting, no horrific conflict is mentioned. A student attends a small event and reaffirms attendees beliefs. Wouldn’t it be more exciting if there was a mean, ranting biologist character?
That is such a cool artifact!
Oh but there was, off in the distance – did you miss the shout-out to Jerry Coyne?
@Sigmund:
That one’s easy: Chris and Sheril were his allies. I’m quite willing to believe he didn’t mean them to be tarred by his sockpuppetry. Any tarring of New Atheists, of course, wasn’t quite so accidental, so why would he say he were sorry for that? It was pretty clear that was his goal all along. As far as I’m aware, he’s also never distanced himself from his views on New Atheists (and nobody really asked him to, either – which says something about how New Atheists deal with dissent).
Can’t say I’m really sorry that he’s been outed now.
Per Skasowitz’s link to Exhibit A, this section is certainly rich:
No one should take this Parslemouth at his word about atheist-theist interactions ever again.
No “catering” to the religious?
I thought Jerry simply meant they should bring their own sandwiches!
He does go on about the culture wars, however – from Nov 2009:
Sounds familiar.
Why, that’s absolutely bizarre. No mention of the hundreds of dead Baptists lying in their own pools of blood while Jerry calmly sleeps, suspended from a dark ceiling corner in his coccoon of leathery wing, shielded from the sun’s harmful rays.
But seriously, does this not once again highlight what a piss-poor journalist Mooney is? Did he not once think to look at what Wally himself wrote on the event?* That’s the problem with this whole Wally Smith fiasco: it’s not about Smith. He’s an unhinged idiot. He libelled people, sure, and I don’t mean to minimise the damages from those libels, but he’s ultimately nobody of importance. The real issue is that people like Mooney, Rosenau, and now Stangroom are prefectly happy to throw PZ, Jerry, or Ophelia under the bus at the slightest provocation (and without corroborating evidence of wrongdoing, I might add), and are yet perfectly content to scream “Witch Hunt” when a Gnu even mentions a suspicion.
Where’s Josh now? Why isn’t he here, saying “Gee, Ophelia: I guess you were right all along; my bad”? Why aren’t the antiGnus interested in displaying the sort of contrition they demand from us?**
*Just to check: are we absolutely sure this is the event in question?
**These are, of course, rhetorical questions, and ones I’m not interested in having answered. Why, just think of all the texts on systematics, cladistics, and evolutionary history that would have to be reprinted should an accommodationist show a hint of backbone; accurate science or no, I’d hate to see the Dover-like challenges that would arise from that. It’d be Haeckel all over again.
Not such an important question, I think. The whole point of Tom Johnson telling about it was not that some one-time insult-war took place, but that this was typical of the attitude inspired by the New Atheist best-selling authors.
Say, isn’t that “Exhibit A”? No wonder Mooney didn’t want to out TJ, as this really, really makes Mooney look silly.
I’m not, at least. I have however heard from the “colleague” (as he put it) who was with him at the event in question; it was nothing like what he described at The Intersection. Nothing.
Well, everyone who is familiar with Mr. Mooney’s tunnel vision can understand why he fell in love with Mr. Smith. After all, a young gnu-hating scientist who is environmentally aware is everything an activist journalist in Mooney’s niche can hope for. No wonder he bought the story of Mr. Smith without any doubt. That happens easily, if you are too much an activist and too little a journalist.
One wonders if OnEarth might wish to retract the article given that Wally Smith has a proven history of lying about this event? There is no reason to assume that the version in the article is completely true, either, though with his real name on it I’m guessing he was a tad more circumspect about the big claims–but who knows?
Did Mooney have Smith’s real name before he ran “Exhibit A?” Look how easy it’s been for us to find an alternative version. Or would Smith have said he had to publish a sanitised version for fear of reprisals?
Matti –
Indeed. The wider significance of Wally Smith is that people like Chris Mooney – liberals, secularists, non-theists – are so hostile to new atheists that they fall on obviously ridiculous stories about Gnus Behaving Badly with cries of joy. This hostility is the oddity here. Between Wally and my former colleague, it’s making quite a display of itself at the moment.
This.
So Ophelia, given it is unlikely you will be collaborating with Stangroom in writing another book, do you have plans to go solo, or collaborate with someone else ?
Btw Ophelia, what is the record of comments an article of yours has received? I bet it will soon be an old record!
I think so. I think Mooney explained why TJ felt he had to be anonymous in the Exhibit A post, didn’t he? That was part of what was so offensive – the implication that atheists would do violence to TJ if he weren’t anonymous. I remember objecting rather loudly to that at the time. (Here, of course. Not able to there.) But I guess that’s consistent with not knowing TJ’s real name himself at the time.
Matt – “unlikely”? Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Sorry, that’s unseemly.
I have big plans to write a book a month. Puzzlingly, though, I never seem to find the time.
Matti…not sure…maybe 200? There was one monster like that, I think.
I agree, but I’m looking to pre-empt criticism from people like Josh Rosenau. You know them: they’re real sticklers for having all the facts in place before indicting, as long as it’s not a Gnu on trial.
Of that I’ve no doubt, Ophelia.
It’s worth checking the comments on the article…
http://www.onearth.org:8887/node/1090
Mooney claimed to have contacted TJ by email and verified that TJ was genuine – presumably he made contact through Walter Smith’s University email account and that was enough evidence for Mooney. There’s no sign that Mooney did anything other than this to confirm Smith’s story – despite it being piddlingly easy to do as we have found here.
Should we start a countdown to the story of Wally’s black eye from a gnu while trooping through the forests of Alabama?
I think the forests of Alabama are already ringing with such stories!
In which case things have never looked crappier for Chris Mooney.
@Stephen Tapply: accusations of gnu atheist harrassment in 3, 2, 1…
For the record, I think the two comments that were there when I checked were funny and totally fair game, although I’m not so sure that this event was the basis for “Exhibit A”, instead of one of the events that he claimed ended “with all the name calling of a fifth-grade playground squabble”. Not that I really expect him to be much more truthful about this under his real name…
Wally is originally from Georgia. Last time I checked he had a facebook page. One of his facebook friends, at one point, friended me.
He has a FB page, a blogger profile and a protected invite-only WordPress blog. Since I’m a mindslut, I wonder if I should whore around and ask to join.
Wally sometimes posts from Georgia – Gainesville, Georgia, to be exact. One of his Milton C posts here was from Gainesville. The other was from Tuscaloosa.
@Deen #112
As a proud gnu, not a chance…
And I imagine onearth.org are really surprised at the sudden spike in hits!
How do you figure? Who among his supporters care about integrity?
I would say anyone who still supports him doesn’t care about integrity, by definition.
Brownian and Stewart:
How do you figure? Who among his supporters care about integrity?
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Well, I guess the people at CFI do. Or so they at least state. How about starting a discussion about journalistic integrity there? Without mentioning names, of course.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Wally goes on regular Bigfoot expeditions, either. :)
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2011/03/your_not_helping_blogger_tom_j.php
Unbelievable…
I actually found this article last summer, but then it was offline and only accessible thru Bing’s/Google’s cache. I wonder why it’s now back online. I was pretty sure then it was TJ because of his UA affiliation and other texts of him had just went offline (like wallysmith.wordpress.com).
Per link 87
In his professional job, he comes across as being a pillar of society, while pseudonymously he is far from being a responsible person. Some highly educated people like himself, fell for his palaver, in their agreement with him. Hmm, says an awful lot…? What a bunch of Wallies! While others were ridiculed and shouted and sneered at by accommodationists. It’s laughable really.
Hungry adults and children could do without the evolutionary/ecological expertise of someone like Walter Smith. He needs to evolve himself – I mean this in a kind way – before he continues to ply his professionalism on others. As his blogosphere standing is mostly so utterly at variance with that of what he is studying (and hopes to attain) in the real world. Nonetheless – there are other not so nice people out there who have most probably different personas in reality.
It’s such a shame that a young man of his intelligence should waste it on the wrong things. There must be millions of people in the world who would jump at the chance of being educated and going to university. One person in almost a hundred years got high school education where I am coming from and it doesn’t make sense to me how Walter Smith could be so darn selfish in throwing all the teaching he is getting at his university away. The world is his oyster and he feels so free to abuse this privilege. It’s such an awful shame. Why be a rattle-snake when you can be swan or maybe even a gnu.
He would be doing himself a favour
This is just sad. What a pathetic wanker. He just could not stay away, you might think that after such a humiliating depanting last time he might have learned to stay away but I suppose that thinking was naive. I am curious how the pearl clutching crowd will respond to this. I really want to check some of their blogs but I have a hard time bringing myself to read anything on them.
BTW, back when the YNH thing went down, Walter Smith’s advisor and coauthor was Leslie Rissler. I was given to understand that she was less than entirely pleased with him over the whole thing.
She’s not his advisor anymore, and while I have no inside information, I’d be really surprised if she wanted to work with him anymore, or write him a terribly glowing letter of recommendation.
I wonder how his new advisor will feel about these new developments.
If it were me, I’d certainly suggest that he look for a new line of work. Seriously, who could write a letter for this guy in good conscience that wouldn’t simply torpedo his job prospects? (“He’s bright and not always entirely viciously dishonest.”) Who’d want to be responsible for fobbing him off on somebody else?
@ Travis: I think the proper term is “pantsing”.
TheBlackCat,
Opps, forgot my ‘s’. de-pantsing is used here in Canada, or at least I have heard it plenty of times. It might be a regional thing. I was surprised to see that wikipedia has an article on bebagging (the British term according to the article) that indicates that pantsing is the American term and that it goes by many other names.
I can’t say that I’m “certain” (given that I’m relying on second-hand testimony)—but it appears to me that, yes, the conservation event mentioned in Smith’s onearth.org article, linked above, is indeed the same event in which fictional Gnus laid waste to innocent religious believers in “Tom Johnson”‘s imagination. My citation is Jerry Coyne’s magisterial post on the TJ controversy last summer. From the bullet-pointed list on that post, which appears to have been derived from discussions between Coyne, Smith, and Smith’s advisor (among others?):
Smith’s article describes “an outreach event involving a Baptist organization,” of course. And if, as Jerry learned, Smith has only participated in one “conservation event,” then I think the process of elimination is pretty quick: that’s the one he was lying about.
Also, piecing together the accounts from Jerry and Smith himself, I think there’s another interesting and as-yet-unidentified character in the drama. Quoth Jerry:
Smith’s article mentions an individual “colleague” who accompanied him to the Baptist event as well. Is it reading too much into these tea leaves to suspect that that atheist “colleague” is a Gnu-ish person with whom Smith had some of those “various conversations”? That the “Tom Johnson” story, in Smith’s head, involved that colleague sneering and laughing at the Baptists?
I’d like to know what the colleague (“John Tomson”?) thinks about all of this.
About the broader issue here, I share Stewart’s sentiments, including the unhappiness that it’s come to this, not least because I’m a pseudonymous commenter myself.
And I have to confess to being impressed by Ophelia’s ability to detect the guy reappearing under a new name. I was involved in more than one of “Hammill”‘s threads, too, and it didn’t occur to me that he might be “Tom.” I suspected Ophelia was mistaken. Guess not.
Naturally, I was referring only to people who care about and possess integrity. Some of them may one day be in a position to influence the trajectory of Mooney’s career. Until we knew Wally Smith’s name, we only knew that Mooney was remiss in checking properly. Now that we know it, we know how easy it would have been for Mooney to find something that should have made him even more suspicious than he should have been in the first place, which is plenty.
BTW, Rissler’s name came up on the YNH thread on “The Buddha is not serious,” in case someone doesn’t remember.
I @127 should have mentioned that I was (in the beginning part of my comment) replying to, and answering the single-asterisk question in, Brownian @93.
[…] as I said in a comment earlier this morning, is Walter Smith, known as Wally, a graduate student in biology at the […]
Rieux – the colleague will be commenting! Now that Wally’s out, she has no need to be quiet.
130 Comments already? Really?
OK, then — let me add one more:
About time.
I supect JS is in fact training for the priesthood. he may not yet have outed his god but there is one.
[takes a bow]
Wally Smith? Really? His real name seems more pseudonymous than his fake ones.
How about we move the discussion to the new post now? To prevent confusion.
http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2011/hammill-the-prodigal/
Something has happened to the link at onearth.org it does not open and when you search for author Wally Smith there are no articles listed. Is there an archived version somewhere that could be linked to?
Thank you.
Really?! He’s moved that fast?
I can still read it and refresh it, becca.
Still there for me
It’s rather strange following the intricacies of this plot.
For instance how about this factor – Wally (as Wally) writes in May 2009 about his May 2008 outreach visit to the Baptists where it is all sweetness and light, although he does try to drag Jerry Coyne into the piece as the bad guy who refuses to cater to the religious.
OK, fast forward a few months to the beginning of September 2009.
Guess who visits Wallys department and thanks Wallys then supervisor (I think! – his current supervisor seems to be Milton Ward), Leslie Rissler and her graduate students for being kind hosts to him? Might it be a certain non caterer? I suspect it might!
http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2009/09/05/what-i-saw-in-alabama/
Fast forward about six weeks and we have the notorious Tom Johnson Exhibit A post that rewrites the history of the May 2008 Baptist meeting.
Did Jerry accidently drive over Wally’s dog while in Alabama – or more likely his pet snake?
Was there a tragic boot incident???
Now go to the new thread. The bar is closing.
@ Josh #23
Someone is trigger happy! I’m sorry to disappoint, but I’m not about to elaborate on something I never believed in the first place. Next time make sure the peg is there before trying to hang stuff on it.
I happen to think care should be taken that there is a rational connection between outing someone and correcting misperceptions spread by that person. Now that it’s been done, I hope this episode can serve as a reference point for the larger purpose of shining light on how bankrupt these claims of atheist incivility typically are.
Stephen Tapply # 121: What’s unbelievable?
Both fame & infamy are a powerful intoxicant.
So wait, those of us who thought he was a right Wally were – well, right?
[…] I’ve always felt that if Wally a Wanker came behind with his old, foolish and repulsive trick, that we would out him. He came back. we deliberate tour him though have been utterly dreaming with critical things like changing diapers and feeding little pieces of duck to Huxley. Meanwhile, blogger Ophelia Benson has spilled a beans, here. […]
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