Ayaan Hirsi Ali can’t say that, can she?
Another conversation with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, whose new memoir is titled bluntly and succinctly Infidel.
Strictly speaking Hirsi Ali is not an infidel but an apostate, a designation that in the Koran warrants the punishment of death. The distinction is not without significance. In a poll published last week, one in three British Muslims in the 16-24 age group agreed that ‘Muslim conversion is forbidden and punishable by death’. This figure comes as no surprise to Hirsi Ali…Liberals, she says, have shirked the responsibility of making the case for their own beliefs. They need to start speaking out in favour of the values of secular humanism. And they need to make clear that they are not compatible with religious bigotry and superstition.
Yup they do – even at the price of being called a liberal neocon.
She speaks in a language that makes no concessions to the softening euphemisms of political correctness. Those immersed in circumspection and ever vigilant to the contemporary sin of offence are bound to ask themselves if she’s allowed to say what she says…Writing in the New York Review of Books, the historian Timothy Garton Ash described Hirsi Ali as a ‘slightly simplistic Enlightenment fundamentalist’. Last year when Garton Ash chaired a discussion with Hirsi Ali at the ICA, he seemed both to admire the incisiveness of her quietly spoken logic and to wince at its unshakeable conclusions…She was one of the few intellectuals, for example, who rushed to support the Danes in the cartoon crisis last year. If you believe in the right of freedom of expression, she says, you have to defend that right. In a debate a few years back, Hirsi Ali challenged the Swiss Muslim academic Tariq Ramadan, something of a poster boy for the multicultural left, to be more consistent and clear-cut in what he said…Ramadan responded by questioning Hirsi Ali’s adversarial style. ‘The question,’ he said, ‘is whether you want to change the mentality or please the audience.’…’Tariq Ramadan is filled with contempt for Muslims because he believes they have no faculties of reason…Like many believers in multiculturalism, he puts himself on a higher plane. The other thing is that it’s not about your style, it’s about your content. Are my propositions right or wrong?’
She also argues that it’s important to address white liberals because they need to overcome the self-censoring effects of post-colonial guilt. ‘If you want to feel guilty,’ snaps Hirsi Ali, ‘feel guilty that you didn’t bring John Stuart Mill and left us only with the Koran.’…’In a pattern familiar to historians of political intellectuals,’ wrote Garton Ash, ‘she has gone from one extreme to the other’. The word on Hirsi Ali is that she is ‘traumatised’ by her upbringing and her subsequent adoption of a Western lifestyle. It’s the word that Ian Buruma uses to describe her condition in his book Murder In Amsterdam. Needless to say, she finds this appraisal of her ideas patronising.
So do I, so does Pascal Bruckner. Garton Ash and Buruma take exception to Bruckner’s account of their views, but he does directly quote them; I think it’s a fair cop.
Read the whole article; it’s very meaty.
I remember when I first heard Hirsi Ali on the radio and was bowled over by her clarity and her passion, delivered in her soft polite voice and in her third language. It was a clean shower of reason washing away all the dust of relativism and making allowances to what is in fact cultural or patriarchal bullying.
I think Pascal Bruckner was unfair to Garton Ash and was inclined to get carried away with his own rhetoric.
Incidentally the expression “armchair philosopher”:- you have armchair warriors, who talk about fighting and weaponry while the real warriors are out getting maimed and killed – so what are the real philosophers doing in this context? Sitting on very hard chairs doing their dangerous work? Risking numb bumness? Or, if it’s in the translation, I would love to know the French for “armchair warrior”.
Warning: contains UK comedy reference of a somewhat parochial nature.
Does this remind anyone else of the Fast Show’s “Women – know your place” sketch?
Ah.
Just me then.
:-)
||She takes Hirsi Ali to task on female genital mutilation which, she points out, is not an Islamic practice|| Taking the fight to Islam | The Observer | February 4, 2007
All those nasty non-Islamic practices: why are they so prevalent in Islamic society? – why aren’t they as rare as eating pork?
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Hisan Ali reminds me of another campaigner for reason, who also gets shouted at for being “aggressive”, when all he is doing is pointing out, in his perfect, cultured, professorial English voice, that something is seriously wrong, and that something needs to be done about it.
It’s called “shooting the messenger”
‘It’s called “shooting the messenger”‘
And dates back to way before guns were invented.
Seriously, Tingey, what do you expect? Suppose you had a great deal of power and it all came from having made people believe a series of dubious propositions. Along comes someone and points out that your authority is based on what one may delicately call steaming ordure. What do you do? Of course, you have him/her killed, right? And if enough people have been pointing it out for enough centuries, maybe your authority has already eroded to the point where you can no longer kill people and get away with it. If brute force is no longer open to you, the obvious course of action is to pretend to be fluffy, play down the less pleasant parts of your past, point out every positive thing that your reign might have achieved and accuse your challengers of all the worst excesses of which you are guilty. If you do all the above convincingly enough, you may even begin to believe it yourself and if not, you may take comfort in the fairly certain prospect that most of your followers will.
Guerrier de fauteuill ?
“Poke her with the soft cushions!”
Yes Stewart, I do know, and so does everyone else, but why do people still fall for it?
Hence my comparison of H. Ali with Dawkins ……
– Adam
Quite. I was taken mildly to task on ‘Comment is Free’ the other day when I wrote of genital mutilation and someone pointed out that it’s not an Islamic practice. What they meant, presumably, was that it’s not necessarily an Islamic practice – but, as you say, they practise it nonetheles because it’s part of their belief system, Koranic or later. You can bet your bottom that, if the UK government banned it, they’d scream blue murder and say such a move was interering with their religious ‘rights’.
“… I do know, and so does everyone else…”
On B&W maybe, but what percentage of the world has twigged? Of course we have to keep on fighting, but in order to make long-term progress, my money is on strategies of consciousness-raising a la Dawkins. There are so many people out there for whom the main reason not to leave religion is that they’ve never even been exposed to such a possibility.
And we have made progress, at least in the west. When the Catholic church had the Inquisition at its disposal, you may recall a deafening silence as far as threats to close adoption agencies is concerned. Can one put it more obliquely?
NO – not given the spineless crawling to Cardinal C. O’Conman on the Beeb last week, when “iterviewed” by a well-known catholic (Stourton).
Can you just imagine any politician being allowed to get away with that sort of evasion and soft questions?
Nick S:-
Guerrier de fauteuill = armchair warrior? Or are you merely doing a word for word translation? I thought that perhaps that it was a French equivalent of “esprit d’escalier” or “schadenfreude” – in English we have those concepts all right but not a handy expression. And if we said “inspiration on the staircase” it would sound strange.
KB Player, apologies for raised hopes, that’s just a literal translation (which my tiny mind finds amusing). Have got a French pal looking into it tho.
As long as he puts some legwork into it; it really wouldn’t do to have that kind of job done in an armchair.
Like a real Numb-butt Philosopher ?
Andy A – “You can bet your bottom that, if the UK government banned it, they’d scream blue murder and say such a move was interering with their religious ‘rights’.”
It has been banned. FGM is illegal in this country and as far as I know always has been. In fairness, I don’t see anyone agitating for it to be legalised. Although I agree there’s a lot of cant and hypocrisy when it comes to the practice in other countries (including where families take their daughters abroad to have it done).
Why would you need separate legislation against genital mutilation? Isn’t it causing grievous bodily harm, or actual bodily harm or whatever? If I took a child off somewhere to have her fingers lopped off so she can’t steal or her eyes gouged out so she can’t read pornography I would have thought I could have been had up for conspiring to cause grievous bodily harm.
That’s why it is illegal in this country …
Incidentally, there was this case last week, showing complete failure of brain by the “authorities” …
Because there is no prohibition against “witchcraft” they SAID they couldn’t bring a prosecution against some (African-descended) “christian” minister who told peole their children were “posessed”, and ahd to be tortured to drive the devils out. (!!)
I would have thought that that was conspiracy to cause and/or incitement to GBH, myself, and kidnapping – all of which are illegal.
It doesn’t look like a failure of brain, from the news coverage I’ve seen. The police spent ten months trying to find a way to prosecute, and couldn’t do it. That doesn’t mean they’re being stupid, it means (or can mean) there is no law that fits. Telling people the children were to be tortured wasn’t included; what couldn’t be prosecuted was 1) telling people the children were possessed and 2) praying for the children to die. If there is no law against that, there is no law against that; that’s not the fault of the police. Those two things on their own don’t amount to conspiracy; that was the point.
Your off the cuff opinion is probably not quite as detailed as the ten month investigation by the police, so it could be unfair to call it a failure of brain until you get more detail.
Yes, but the children (some of them) WERE tortured.
A violent crime was committed.
Surely there should be some way to bring a charge against the inciter(s) of these crimes?
Well, apparently not. They weren’t really literally inciters; that’s (as I understand it) the reason they can’t be charged; they didn’t tell the parents or guardians to torture the children. I think people who did do that were charged. Also, there is apparently awareness that this is a problem, so maybe it will be possible to charge them under new law; then again this kind of law is obviously very tricky, for the same kind of reason the religious hatred law was and is. So it’s not a simple issue; hence I think it’s unfair to call it a failure of brain.
I take your point.
I’m not entirely conviced, mark you, but you have raised just how tricky it probably was.
I wonder if the “real” perpetrators – the religious leaders, knew this, and that they were in the clear?
Or have I just got a nasty mind?
Which reminds me ….
http://theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com/
JS Mill worked for the India Office. Some of the problem stems from the fact that the British Empire did indeed bring him along – but it was Mill when it came to imposing the free market at whatever short-term cost, and the Koran when it came to rationalising ways of denying political and social rights to the mass of the population.
There are geniune reasons why us Enlightenment fans have an image problem – it ain’t just idiot relativists. Though it is them.
I’m worried that AHA is involved in a journey which is worryingly similar to that of British anti-imperialists who, on seeing lots of fundie Muslims also making anti-imperialist noises, take up with them but fail to read the small print. She is, of course, going in the opposite direction.
‘She is, of course, going in the opposite direction.’
Yeah – I certainly wish she hadn’t settled at the AEI. Yech.
I wonder if, apart from anything else, she’ll discover that it’s extremely difficult if not impossible to disentangle market fundamentalism from religious fundamentalism in the US, because the two are so tightly entangled for electioneering purposes. She’ll find herself on the same side as religious zealots and science-haters a lot of the time. Which is not to say that the Democratic party is allowed to be secular these days…but parts of the left are. On the right it’s harder.