Inquiry
A N Wilson disputes Roger Scruton’s account of the reasons for his lack of universal popularity.
In the chapter “How I Became a Conservative”, Scruton meditates on the consequences of his political-cum-emotional decision. “…It became a matter of honour among English-speaking intellectuals…to write, if possible, damning and contemptuous reviews of my books, and to block my chances of promotion…” This analysis of what it is about Scruton which irritates overlooks the fact that he must know, in today’s climate, the likely effect of such regular Scruton standbys as a defence of foxhunting with hounds and a defence of social hierarchies, even of snobbery itself. There are plenty of right-wingers who, in various branches of intellectual life in England, have received good reviews for their books, and also been offered prestigious jobs…If Scruton is rather more marginalized than once he was, it perhaps has more to do with the error of judgement he made some years ago, when he accepted a back-hander from a tobacco firm, for the loose but undeclared general purpose of defending the tobacco lobby in his journalism…[F]or a man whose calling and raison d’être is that difficult business – not just telling the truth but finding out what the truth would be like if we told it – it was a huge blow to be exposed as the lickspittle of tobacco giants. If your job is inquiry, you cannot accept money for providing the answers before the question has been examined.
Well there you go. Exactly. And as a matter of fact, if your job is inquiry, you can’t accept anything for providing the answers before the question has been examined, because it’s the one thing you can’t do given that conditional. Inquiry, if it is to be inquiry, rules out providing the answers before the question has been examined. If you provide the answers before the question has been examined then what you’re doing is not inquiry, it’s some other thing. We say this somewhere in chapter 8 of Why Truth Matters. In fact (she says, having looked) it’s in the final extract we provide on the website.
And real inquiry presupposes that truth matters. That it is true that there is a truth of the matter we’re investigating, even if it turns out that we can’t find it. Maybe the next generation can, or two or three or ten after that, or maybe just someone more skilled than we are. But we have to think there is something to find in order for inquiry to be genuine inquiry and not just an arbitrary game that doesn’t go anywhere. We like games, but we also like genuine inquiry. That’s why truth matters.
There. That’s how it is. You can have inquiry, or you can have something else, but you can’t have both in one. You can’t have inquiry that isn’t inquiry, so you can’t have inquiry that cheats. If it cheats it immediately turns into something else, as if a magician had transformed it.
Jerry S and I argued about this a little after he did the Little Atoms interview a few weeks ago, after he’d told the great radio-listening public that actually he doesn’t think truth does matter, so, like, you know, never mind. We argued a little but I think he ended up admitting that I was quite right in what I said. Well okay not that exactly but I think he grudgingly agreed to my characterization of what he said. The case he made on Little Atoms was that truth doesn’t always matter, for instance between individuals. Well of course not, I said sharply, but then we never said it did; we were talking about disciplinary inquiry and truth, not truth in every nook and cranny of life. I think he raised some feeble objection to the effect that not all disciplines are engaged in inquiry or truth-seeking, but again I brushed that ruthlessly aside as a red herring. We weren’t talking about pottery or art appreciation, for Christ’s sake, we were talking about inquiry. I think at that point he gave in and agreed I was right, or perhaps he changed the subject; one of those. But anyway, I stick to that. We’re talking about truth in truth-seeking contexts in WTM, we’re not saying everyone should run around telling each other how nasty those shoes are and how sinister everyone looks in that shirt.
But we are saying, at least I am and I think JS is too, that philosophers should not pocket money from tobacco lobbyists in exchange for ‘defending the tobacco lobby in [their] journalism’. Actually I don’t think anyone should do that, for moral reasons as well as epistemic ones; but for philosophers, the epistemic reason is pretty compelling all by itself.
The problem with R. Scrotum is that, for a philosoper, he can’t think straight.
He also has the late Enoch Powell’s habit of constructing perfect, bomb-proof logical arguments, based on false premises – oops!
“I think he raised some feeble objection to the effect that not all disciplines are engaged in inquiry or truth-seeking”
No that was the objection I raised when you tried to write in WTM that anybody not engaged in truth seeking should be drummed out of the academy! :)
A whole row of straw men in both the article and the comments.
1. Accepting money for espousing a genuinely held view is epistemically wrong. ???? No, it may be bad social strategy but has nothing at all to do with epistemology.
2.”This analysis of what it is about Scruton which irritates overlooks the fact that he must know, in today’s climate, the likely effect of such regular Scruton standbys as a defence of foxhunting with hounds and a defence of social hierarchies, even of snobbery itself.” Regardless of the validity or success of the arguments, is it true that to be irritating is to condemn oneself to obscurity – if so, B&W is doomed!
3.”He also has the late Enoch Powell’s habit of constructing perfect, bomb-proof logical arguments, based on false premises – oops!”
A scurrilous condemnation of a great and gentle thinker and scholar. Please give an example or shut the f*ck up.
Maybe not epistemology as a formal study of knowledge, but taking money from groups whose agenda is to muddy the waters and who give little care for the truth about the effects of tobacco is being cavalier with the truth, so great and gentle he might be, but if he sincerely believed that aiding the agenda of tobacco companies was no bad thing then he not only literally sold out, but he was a great and gentle fool in that area.
“No that was the objection I raised when you tried to write in WTM that anybody not engaged in truth seeking should be drummed out of the academy!”
Nonono, I never! I never tried to write that in WTM, or elsewhere either, and I don’t think it. You thought I was saying that when I questioned something you said in the HERO interview – which rested partly on your taking the interviewer’s question about pseudoscience to include postmodernism, which I thought it probably didn’t. It was another one of those cases where once we discuss the nuances we find we don’t disagree that much – I mean, we find that I’m right. snicker
“Accepting money for espousing a genuinely held view is epistemically wrong. ???? No, it may be bad social strategy but has nothing at all to do with epistemology.”
Who said Scruton was espousing a genuinely held view? If as Wilson says he took money “for the loose but undeclared general purpose of defending the tobacco lobby in his journalism” it does indeed have to do with epistemology: he took money for saying something predetermined. In other words, he took an advertising gig. Advertising is not about truth-seeking or truth-telling, nor is it about inquiry, nor is it about knowledge. It’s about marketing and persuasion, which is a quite different and in many ways incompatible endeavor. Scruton’s journalism is of interest because he’s a philosopher; using it to market tobacco is not something philosophers (or other inquirers) ought to do unless they take off the philosopher sweatshirt and put on a marketing one – that is, unless they clearly announce that that’s what they’re doing. Doing it by stealth, pretending it’s just journalism, is not a pro-truth thing to do.
Surely this is well known. Marketing, sales, public relations, are all activities in which truth is not part of the goal. That’s why they are expected to announce themselves: why advertising supplements in newspapers label themselves as such, though not in big enough letters, in my view.
Besides (she added) I didn’t say it did have to do with epistemology, I said it was wrong for epistemic reasons, which is different.
“I never tried to write that in WTM, or elsewhere either,”
Oh yes you did! And I probably still have the copy somewhere (which no doubt I’ll be posting here shortly!). :)
Robyn, I wasn’t suggesting that Scruton is a great and gentle thinker and scholar. That remark was referring to Enoch Powell, who in my opinion has been very badly misrepresented to posterity. I happen to think that Scruton has some rather strange and not altogether pleasant ideas about ethics and authority.
OB “Besides (she added) I didn’t say it did have to do with epistemology, I said it was wrong for epistemic reasons, which is different.”
What epistemic reasons?
Actually, being horribly pedantic and all, there is no reason why advertising should not be about truth telling even if it is also about persuasion, it really all depends on the ethical standards of the advertiser, the two things are not mutually exclusive.
And the poster above is right who claims it shouldn’t matter to us (as opposed to professionally (or keenly amateur) indignant, who an arguer is paid by or what his or her motivation is for forwarding a particular argument; the argument stands up or it doesn’t.
And finally … I am curious as to which activities within the academy are not about truth telling or truth seeking in some way? It seems to me that even art apprecition attempts to say something that is true about art, or to approach it, or at least to articulate those things that are not true. It doesn’t matter that the truth may be particularly difficult to approach the activity is still predicted on the assumption that there is truth there and we can get closer to it.
I never!
(Did I?)
“What epistemic reasons?”
The ones Wilson indicated in the review and that I expanded on.
“being horribly pedantic and all,” there is no reason why advertising should not be about truth telling even if it is also about persuasion”
Not horribly pedantic; on the contrary, making (or trying to make) careful distinctions of that kind is just what I’m recommending here.
“there is no reason why advertising should not be about truth telling even if it is also about persuasion”
Sure there is. There’s a very good reason: advertising has one goal, which is entirely different from truth-seeking, and not only different from truth-seeking but essentially in tension with it. The goal of advertising is to sell something, not to tell the truth about it. Granted, advertisers with exceptionally high ethical standards may tell the truth or refrain from hiding the truth, but that is still not the actual goal of advertising. The goal of advertising is simply to move the product, by whatever means necessary. That’s why it’s so sinister, and why it’s such an execrable method of carrying on political campaigning.
“I am curious as to which activities within the academy are not about truth telling or truth seeking in some way?”
Well the one Jerry always reminds me of is music. And there are other performance arts.
I’m not sure I can think of any others though. This is one of the things we kept arguing about. I agree with you that for the most part the academy is about truth-seeking.
I can see how one could argue oneself into taking money. The first step is to convince oneself that it isn’t a bribe. Bribery is a terrible thing, and being bribed terrible also, but scholars accept grants, honoraria, speaker’s fees and scholarships and these are all perfectly respectable. Very intelligent people will doubtless be able to argue that they are receiving these grants, honoraria etc simply because of their scholarly worth, rather than because they are expected to produce something of use to the giver of money.
There’s a wonderful C. S. Lewis essay called “The Inner Ring”, which talks about how one can be corrupted: not with an obvious bribe, which would be noticeable and could be avoided, but with “the hint of something which is not quite in accordance with the technical rules of fair play: something which the public, the ignorant, romantic public, would never understand”. I wonder how the offer to Scruton of the tobacco money was made.
I don’t know. I’m skeptical. I think that’s a pretty strong and obvious taboo (and a rational taboo as opposed to simply a yuck one).
OB, I’ll eschew my usual pedantry and just observe that you have a very jaundiced view of corporate ethics. Being a capitalist running dog, I of all people should have a good inside view on this – and my view is that some of us at least apply a very high standard of justification to the claims we make for our products – a much higher standard than many academics could make for their theses. A small sample, I know, but you might appreciate the datum.
Mike, please explain. What is this jaundiced view I have? What is your claim? That it’s incorrect to say that the goal of advertising is to sell something, not to tell the truth about it? If so, could you please explain what the goal of advertising is?
“some of us at least apply a very high standard of justification to the claims we make for our products”
But that’s another matter. That leaves my basic point untouched: the goal of advertising is not to find or tell the truth, it is to sell something. Advertising and academic inquiry are two fundamentally different kinds of work, with fundamentally different goals.
[Actually, being horribly pedantic and all, there is no reason why advertising should not be about truth telling even if it is also about persuasion]
there is also no reason in principle why the horoscopes printed in the daily newspapers should not be honest attempts to forecast the future rather than empty generalities, but it would be pretty foolish to base anything important on the assumption that either the adverts or the Jonathan Cainer column are talking to you in good faith.
Wilson: “Scruton’s writings on architecture are the best to appear in English since the death of Ruskin.”
That’s absurd. Scruton has a very naive understanding of the built environment and how it comes about It does Wilson’s own judgment no good for him to praise Scruton as the best critic of the built environment in the past 150 years. The notion is nonsensical.
While Scruton has his heart in the right place it takes more than wishful thinking to say something useful and perceptive about the built world. From my observation, Scruton simply lacks the knowledge to fit it all together. For example he has written and I assume genuinely believes that the major weakness of post WW 2 urban planning is that modern buildings don’t have enough classical columns! Nonsense on so many counts. I wrote about that fantasy here —
http://citycomfortsblog.typepad.com/cities/2003/06/jeffreys_and_sc.html
— a few years ago and I was far too gentle.
I wonder what Scruton would think about our dear doomed Metropolitan Market. It doesn’t have any classical columns, but it’s in a decent scale with the street and the neighbourhood, and it’s very aesthetically pleasing. The gigantic QFC that is going to replace it will be hideous. Nobody wants it, but it’s going to be imposed on us anyway – a bizarre example of the “free market” acting like a totalitarian state. Take it and shut up.
Yeah. We don’t disagree, actually. I hold no brief at all for the building as a building, it’s just that what they’ve done with it is nice. That awful blank wall has been painted a nice southwesty-ochre and it always has masses of flowers and other garden elements lined up along it – so in spite of being a terrible blank wall, it’s now pretty. But I take your point. And no, I despise the parking lot, especially since people driving out of it hardly ever think to look for pedestrians and can’t see them anyway. Mostly what people do is charge out of the lot looking to the left, so anyone walking on their right side is flattened. It’s really remarkable how few people stop before they cross the sidewalk and look both ways – no, they just zoom into it looking one way. Thump, crunch.
Q A Ave could do better than the Met Market structure, but…not with a QFC. (But here I’m thinking contents as well as building.)
Why is everyone so down on QFC?
In upper-income areas (e.g. Queen Anne, for those from out of Seattle) QFC does a very nice job. (Decades ago QFC was the Gristedes of Seattle.) Take a look at its store in University Village. It’s excellent. I have absolutely no doubt that QFC will make the Queen Anne store (and I don’t think there is a ghost of chance of stopping it) a showcase. It will meet or exceed (objectively-speaking) the Met Market or Larry’s in its prime. Queen Anne will get a QFC with terrific food selection and (for the first 3-4 years) bargain prices with lots of specials.
No, I own no stock in Krogers (parent of QFC) but I can’t see why they would persist in the permitting for a store on QA except if they knew that there were a lot of upper-income high-margin/price indifferent shoppers in the neighborhood. And so QFC will give them what they want,
For anyone puzzled by my reference to Gristedes, click on the map here:
http://www.gristedes.com/storelocator.asp
Note where the stores are. And are not.
OB, a bit late I know, but just to explain my point of view – some marketing people explain that one of the purposes of advertising is to inform the market. Not the only purpose, or necessarily the most important purpose, but certainly a purpose. Some businesses take great pains to ensure that the information given is both true and relevant. Some, it is true, do not.
I don’t know why everyone is so down on QFC, but I can tell you why I am: I don’t like their food. Their bakery is crap, their deli is crap, and those are two of the places where grocery stores really differ. Met Market has great baked stuff and brilliant deli stuff. It also has a little menu suggestion-cooking lesson-tasting every day.
And by the way I have taken many looks at the U Village QFC, and I hate it, especially since the remodel.
“Queen Anne will get a QFC”
Queen Anne already has a QFC, in fact it has two of them, it fails to see why it is supposed to want yet another in place of a different market with a different selection that it likes a lot. Current arrangement: 2 QFCs, one Met Market. Future arrangement: 3 QFCs. If MM were sucky and QFC dazzling that might be good, but such is not the case.
Mike, sure, I get that. And informing the market is, other things being equal, perfectly reasonable. It’s just that it’s not the primary goal – not, as you say, the only or most important.
Pfffffff.
However, I won’t bother to tease back, or to insist that QA doesn’t need a true, essential, non-peripheral, hilltop QFC, because I’ve learned that Met Market is moving into Larry’s, which is at the bottom of the hill but not outer space or oblivion, so I’m not nearly as disgruntled as I was. I’m resigned. I do actually sort of welcome the promised gathering area (like the one at the U Village QFC) because I lead a book group which, when I can’t have it at home, wanders the hilltop forlornly in search of a decent coffee place in which to meet, and never finds one (the nice ones close early, the nasty ones are too loud or smoky or crowded or all those).
Well however my obsessive interest in rhetoric impels me just to point out that I get your little joke: of course people wouldn’t say the other QFCs were on QA, but they would and do say they’re in QA. Actually I don’t think anyone does say things are on Queen Anne, they say they’re on Queen Anne hill. On Queen Anne sounds – ooh, weird, dude.
I forgot my most compelling Metro-is-special point though: QFC ain’t got no Peach-O-Rama. So it’s no wonder I’m happy it will still be here. Peach-O-Rama is my most sacred holiday.
Oh, some grocery store bakeries are good – come on. Surely you’ve tried the bakery at Whole Foods? But MM doesn’t have a bakery: it gets good stuff from bakeries.
Whole Foods’ bakery is not bad but as you imply, it is unlikely to find the kind of artisan bakery which would appeal to the refined tastes of B&W readers in any grocery store. The best stores haul in the goods from boutique bakeries. QFC wil do so as well if its QA customers flex their free-market muscles.
In any case, now that I have driven away everyone with this Seatte stuff…
Peach-O-Rama is new to me. My favorite is the arrival of Copper River salmon — another marketing-driven holiday.
Oh, we can drive everyone away with Seattle stuff once in awhile if we want to. We’re just down here on this old post; no one will mind. Besides there are quite a few Seattle readers – Cam, Angiportus, others.
(I wish QFC would bring in boutique bakery stuff, but they never do; they use their own mediocre sludge.)
Peach-O-Rama is great. Paris is worth a mass, and the peach is worth a religion. Or a Rama.
OK. I said I would stop by the U. Village QFC yesterday but I was wrong.
Today I will see if I can work in a tour of grocery store bake sections — to wit, the QA Met Market and the U Village QFC as I believe that both carry items from outside boutique bakeries. (I am almost 100% positive that I have purchased the excellent Essential Bakery breads at QFC.) For good measure I will also stop by the Whole Foods.
Wow – you’re dedicated!
Compare brownies. That’s all I can say. Compare brownies. It’s all about brownies. (PCC, oddly, makes brownies that seem to be good in potentiam but they always burn them, or almost burn them: overbake them to the point of ruin.)
OB,
I have my priorities clear.
And brownies it will be.
The truth will out!
Your mission, should you accept it!