Postmodernist Domination
Dave asked if I planned to say anything about the comments on Scott’s Inside Higher Ed interview. I thought I would mention just one item, in the most recent (at the moment) comment, because it has a certain risible typicality. It comes from someone who calls herself, matily, ‘Violet’, an associate professor in the midwest, addressing another commenter.
I’m sorry to hear that postmodern thinking wasn’t for you. I suppose it’s up for debate whether or not we should abandon the teaching of postmodernism, a cultural movement which dominated the latter half of the twentieth century, solely based on your negative experiences.
There. I like that. I didn’t know postmodernism had ‘dominated the latter half of the twentieth century’ – did you? I also don’t know what that means – did postmodernism dominate plumbing in the latter half of the twentieth century, and transportation, and chemical engineering, and ecology, and the weather, and wars, and rumours of wars, and demographics, and epidemics, and revolutions, and medicine, and tv, and agronomy, and everything? Just, everything about the latter half of the twentieth century, every event, every object, every pattern, everything? And if so how did this domination manifest itself? Did everything, like, cower before the massive power and bulk and teeth of postmodernism? Or what?
Well, that’s probably not exactly what she meant, she probably just wrote carelessly. She certainly reads carelessly, as you can see if you read her first comment – she misreads every single answer of mine that she elects to comment on. Maybe she meant something far more modest, such as that postmodernism dominated, let’s say, intellectual life in the latter half of the twentieth century. I’m betting that’s what she meant. That seems like a fair reading, don’t you think? Not uncharitable? Or perhaps she meant only academic endeavor? Or perhaps she meant only academic endeavor within the humanities and social sciences? That would certainly be radically narrower and more modest than what she did say. And yet, even narrowed down that drastically, it’s still not true. But her thinking it is true is absolutely typical of ‘postmodernism’ at its preening worst. (If you don’t believe me, just remind yourself of that letter Judith Butler wrote to the NY Times about its Derrida obit. Go on. We’ll wait.)
And then, amusingly, having been so opaque herself, she goes on to ask a commenter who is less than fond of postmodernism a lot of sharp questions about what exactly he means. That’s a postmodernist thing to do.
(I have to say this though. What’s with the first name bit? Who invited her to call me by my first name? Eh? I certainly didn’t. Is that a postmodern thing too?)
Maybe she should’ve laid off the cornflakes?
I think it’s an internets thing to do. Everyone is your pal on the internets. (Yes, even the dogs.)
My guess about what Violet meant by dominating the latter half of the 20th century is: dominating everything I (Violet) know or care about in the latter half of the 20th century. Of course, it didn’t dominate NASA’s planning of space flights, or geneticists’ sequencing of human and other genomes, or anything like that, but to me (Violet) these things are too trivial to bother with, before or after breakfast.
Well, Ophelia, I’ve been wondering what Violet meant by this:
“The humanities and the sciences certainly offer different approaches to what is or can be true, and some of us find comfort in that.”
Violet seems to be implying that the humanities (the postmodern bits anyway) offer approaches which enable us to select a “truth” which we may be more comfortable with (personally).
If so, then, Ophelia, I would have to agree with you thata “epistic relativism doesn’t seem to need more encouragement than it already has.”
(Isn’t this cosy? Keith)
PS The “dominating” remark is a scream!
There, see, I knew you’d have mileage in it…
What I enjoyed most about Violet’s effusions was that they comprehensively proved what they were trying to deny – or maybe she was being terribly post-modern and Derrida-ist and saying the opposite of what she actually thought? If ‘thought’ is the right word.
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Postmodern plumbing?
That might explain the workings of some places I’ve lived in.
“My guess about what Violet meant by dominating the latter half of the 20th century is: dominating everything I (Violet) know or care about in the latter half of the 20th century.”
Just so. Which is exactly one of the things I dislike about the type so much – they are so mind-bogglingly parochial, and so smug about it.
Yeah, Keith, that’s a good one, isn’t it? I started to take on her first comment, but then decided it should just speak for itself. Which, as Chris points out, it does so well.
Ophelia, I thought your comments in the email interview were even more brilliant than usual.
(I feel that I may use your first name because I’m a loyal reader. Who’s this Violet, anyway?)
I’m currently 3/4 though WTM, and I can’t believe that people who consider themselves rational have substantive disagreements with it.
Aw, shucks, Doug.
Yers, you may use my first name. Violet, not so much.
But what if the hard truth is that truth has fuzzy edges? Is that simply impossible? Or is that simply how life often strikes some of us (apart from, say, the experience of the force of gravity when we fall from a height which is not at all fuzzy)?
And if it does strike us so, what do we do about the sense of fuzziness, or rather about the notion of a hard truth that somehow comprises fuzziness? Should we just tell ourselves it is wrong to strike us so, and that it’s our fault. Is there a truth to be articulated about fuzzy edges that has not a fuzzy edge itself?
I know we’ve been here before, Ophelia, but I’m still puzzled about the validity of what I am supposed to be doing as a poet. (You know, pretty larks, hello trees, hello sky etc…)
Incidentally, I very much enjoyed the exchange with Violet et al, following the review – I have met her in many guises over the last twenty years and have found her difficult and obtuse if occasionally charming, but I wonder how she makes those moral choices she is so particular and responsible about? Bit fuzzy? Fully fuzzy? OK, in that case full fuzz can solve a few dilemmas. But then can others’ moral choices be wrong? On what basis, tra-la?
Highly recommended: The posts from “we’re all scientists now.” Excellent points!
I second that recommendation. “We’re all” should come over here and write a column or something!
“Should we just tell ourselves it is wrong to strike us so, and that it’s our fault?”
Well, no, George, not at all, of course not. But have I ever said otherwise?
“I’m still puzzled about the validity of what I am supposed to be doing as a poet. (You know, pretty larks, hello trees, hello sky etc…)”
Oh, I know, all right, ffotherington-thomas. That question (that puzzlement) is at the heart of a very irritating running dispute I have with the co-author of WTM about what he chooses to call ‘elitism’. It is his view that because it is not possible to ground aesthetic judgments (so there’s your puzzlement about validity), therefore it is inherently elitist to make any value judgments in aesthetic matters. I disagree (rather violently, especially since ‘elitist’ is a pejorative). I simply don’t see why one has to be able to ground aesthetic judgments in some final or absolute or transcendent sense in order to make them for non-snobbish reasons. Aesthetic judgments are part of that fuzzy realm you’re talking about. Of course we can’t have certainty about them, of course we can’t expect non-humans or non-residents of planet earth to agree to them; but so what? There is still plenty to say that is short of certainty. I mean…I can go on for literally hours about what is so great about Hamlet, or Emma, or Wuthering Heights, or The Prelude, or The Iliad; but I don’t take myself to be doing chemistry or mathematics.
Yes, Violet is interesting, isn’t she. She seemed to be wavering for a minute yesterday! At least thinking she might have to think a bit more. But today she is refreshed by the mention of Foucault, and able to repel boarders.
“On what basis, tra-la?”
Bigger guns?