You Call That a Campaign?
Pat Robertson is a funny guy, but Madeleine Bunting is just silly. (I know, that’s grossly unfair. PR is funny because the stuff he says is so loony. He’s not funny at all, really, since a great many people listen to him and think he makes sense. But look, living in the US these days, you have to laugh at people like Patto if you don’t want to go plain nuts.)
A campaign is being orchestrated through the media to destroy the credibility of many of the most important Muslim institutions in Britain, including the Muslim Council of Britain.
Yeah, a campaign – she cites all of two features, one in the Observer and one on Panorama. That’s a campaign? And, that’s a campaign compared to all the cuddly fond admiring references to the MCB in the media? Why doesn’t she fret about the considerably larger ‘campaign’ being ‘orchestrated’ through the media to inflate the credibility of the MCB, and to portray it as far more benign than it is? What about that then eh?
The impact of this campaign – in the Observer and particularly in John Ware’s Panorama documentary last night – will be a powerful boost for the increasingly widespread view that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim: underneath, “they” are all extremists who are racist, contemptuous of the west, and intent on a political agenda.
Well that’s just stupid. Shockingly stupid. Part of the point of that Panorama was precisely that there is such a thing as a moderate (not anti-secular, not misogynist, not Kaafir-hating) Muslim, and that they are ignored while the MCB gets all the attention. Part of the point was precisely that ‘they’ are not all extremists who are anti-secular misogynist Kaafir-haters, and that’s exactly why the MCB should not be treated as representative or average or ‘moderate.’
First on the charge sheet were examples of the former: the “conviction that Islam is a superior faith and culture which Christians and Jews in the west are conspiring to undermine”, and a “distaste for western secular culture”. This is ridiculous; I’ve yet to meet a member of any faith who doesn’t believe in the superiority of their beliefs, while fear of being undermined is similarly common. Since when has “distaste” become a cause for suspicion?
Oh, please. If you met some Christians who routinely referred to all non-Christians by an epithet – infidel, say – wouldn’t you feel uneasy? I would! I have in fact met one or two Christians like that, and they damn well do make me feel uneasy. I think journalists should point out that habit of mind.
What is deeply troubling is how exacting British society is becoming of its Muslims. A new set of “cricket tests” are being imposed on British Muslims – they are expected to sign up enthusiastically to every aspect of western secular society and to jettison any part of their intellectual heritage that is critical of the west. They are expected to keep their faith entirely out of politics (yet faith plays a crucial role in US politics).
Every aspect of western secular society? Are they? Not that I’ve seen. But women’s rights and gay rights – yes, critics generally do think Muslims should accept those as a part of western secular society that the people who live in it do not want to abrogate. I don’t think that is troubling. What’s troubling is to refuse to expect that, and to shrug and turn a blind eye to, say, ‘honour’ killings or forced marriage of children. And as for the role ‘faith’ plays in US politics – what of that? Has Bunting never seen a single article in the Guardian or the Observer or program on the BBC that criticizes the role ‘faith’ plays in US politics? I wonder what she would find if she typed ‘faith US politics’ into the Guardian’s search box. More than one article, I bet.
Alexandra Simonon has a good reply on the Letters page.
It’s a shame there are still people, like Madeleine Bunting, who believe some ideologies are extremist in one culture, but normal, or moderate in another. We should not accept the idea of “their world” and “ours”, as having totally different sets of values. The Muslims who fight bigotry and terror are not less authentic – and they are not “westernised” either.
And Terry Sanderson of the National Secular Society has another.
Why are the official, government-recognised spokesmen for the “Muslim community” all theocrats? Why is there this unquestioned assumption that all Muslims are mosque-going, Qur’an-reading religionists, to whom only their faith matters? I know from experience there are plenty of Muslims who aren’t particularly religious, who don’t want to wear hijabs, who want to go down the local for a pint with their mates from work, who enjoy watching EastEnders and reading Harry Potter. Why don’t we ever hear their voices on official committees and on TV debates? Why is it only imams and “scholars” of religion? When Mr Blair opens his new Muslims schools, the preachers will be able to tighten their grip even further.
Why indeed. Why don’t we hear from Maryam Namazie or Azam Kamguian or Ibn Warraq as often as we hear from Iqbal Sacranie? Who ‘orchestrated’ that arrangment, Madeleine Bunting? Write an article about that, why don’t you.
‘Shockingly stupid.’
You’re getting soft, OB. This goes way beyond ‘Shockingly stupid.’ This article needs to be taken apart word by word. And hung out to dry.
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Well I did what I could, Don! That’s my third post of the day. I’ve used up my abusive vocabulary until tomorrow.
I am confused. Are there any “non-religious” Muslims? Does the term “Muslim” then refer to a trans-ethnic and non-religious identity of some sort? Could someone be a Muslim and also an atheist or Hindu or Christian? What could that mean? Is that similar to when people ask what religion I am, and then when I reply that I am not religious, they go on to ask me what religion I was raised in? Once a Catholic, always a Catholic? I’ve always felt that to be unfair.
Maybe the problem is in the ambiguity of “not particularly religious.” So, they believe in some minimal set of doctrines, picking and choosing what they like. That would be better for the rest of us, as it is that many “Christians” do just that!
“Write an article about that, why don’t you.” Madeleine Bunting is a new-ish breed of career broadsheet columnist in the UK, and her spouting this sort of blinkered agenda will sadly get her noticed by the right people, even though it is not necessarily representative of anyone with any brain on the left; she is a fuzzy leftists pin-up – nice looking, apparently ‘campaigning’, but picking the soft-option of poorly researched right-on rhetoric. She is about 2 months behind the arguments on this web-site alone; obviously doing most her research in trendy North-London cafes and bars… it wouldn’t even be so bad OB, if she mentioned the complete lack of women representatives for her current faddish underdogs – perhaps she’s here to save them single-handedly? Bunting of Archway ?
In case evidenc erequired, get this:
“Some Soviet pilots undertook explicit suicide missions to ram bridges in Germany in 1945; many others went into battle knowing they would die, and saw their death as a sacrifice for the “motherland”. It is the powerful who determined how such events are understood; while the Japanese and Islamist militants are feared as inhuman, the Soviets are celebrated for their courageous defiance of nazism.”
….”Elements of all these precedents can be traced in the research done on motivations of suicide bombers in Palestine, Chechnya and al-Qaida and probably now those in Iraq.”….
Best til last… “These are concepts which are very difficult for westerners living largely comfortable lives to grasp. Honour is meaningless to us; we have replaced it with a preoccupation with status and self-fulfilment. We dimly grasp self-sacrifice but only apply the concept to our raising of children. Meanwhile, nothing can trump our dedication to the good life of consumer capitalism, and certainly not any system of abstract beliefs. Not having experienced the desperation of oppression, we have little purchase on the extremism it might engender. Meanwhile, we have medicalised rather than politicised the condition of hating the world and longing for death. The gulf in understanding yawns wide.”
From Madeleine Bunting Saturday May 14, 2005 The Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1483797,00.html
Consider yourselves told.
Thanks, Nick S, for severely aggravating my gastric reflux problem with that last Bunting quote. Yikes.
“Honour is meaningless to us”?? Speak for yourself.
I don’t think I said anything about non-religious Muslims – which is a contradiction in terms, even though a lot of people do insist on using the word ‘Muslim’ as if it meant race as well as or instead of religion. But there are secular and pro-secularism Muslims.
“it wouldn’t even be so bad OB, if she mentioned the complete lack of women representatives for her current faddish underdogs”
Oh but that would be Islamophobic, and McCarthyite – that would never do.
I know quite a few very secularized Muslims, who drink but don’t eat pork, who almost never attend a mosque except to marry or bury, who occasionally listen to recordings of the Quran to relish its “poetic qualities” but don’t take most of its injunctions seriously. Seems to be mostly a vague cultural pride thing (and not restricted to Arabs either). They don’t have a problem with Christians, Jews, or atheists so far as I can see (although the name of Ariel Sharon makes them a bit antsy). The women don’t wear veils or head scarves, much less burkhas. They don’t seem all that freaked out by gays and the notion of gay rights.
Maybe that’s what’s meant by non-religious Muslims. Of course, such Muslims would be near the top of the Islamofascists’ hit list.
Thanks to all for the hope-inspiring evidence concerning the actual existence of that strange breed, the secular Muslim. I would never rule out modernised versions of religious identity, and it is better to have a modernised version than a premodern one.
Sacranie made point of insisting that the MCB had to be inclusive of all shades of muslim opinion.
It’s interesting that their list of affiliates does not include Imaan, the moslem Gay, Lesbian, Transgender organisation.
I wonder how many other groups are outside MCB’s umbrella?
“Thanks to all for the hope-inspiring evidence concerning the actual existence of that strange breed, the secular Muslim.”
Yeah, and I’ve just received and added another large bit of evidence: Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s speech to the UN conference on victims of jihad. B&W is, I’m pretty sure, the only place you can read all three speeches at that conference.
Secular shmecular. What’s wrong with being Pakistani or Bangladeshi all of a sudden ? My old man interviewed a newly qualified teacher from Belfast for a post at his school in the mid-seventies; the candidate got the job and they went for a pint after school closed. Dad asked the guy, whether he was Catholic or Protestant, and the chap quite amiably replied ‘I’m an atheist’. My dad asked, mischievously ‘But what colour?’; the answer came resolutely: ‘Orange!’
It seems that thinking of ‘other’ people entirely in terms of bloc-like entities is an endemic problem with American and British journalists.