Nussbaum
This was a nice little coincidence, or confluence, or something, this morning. I started reading Martha Nussbaum’s new book Hiding from Humanity and then when I got on the computer I found this interview with her. It’s an interesting and amusing interview, too.
As for philosophers, I find Mill the most soothing because I imagine him as a friend to whom one would like to talk. Most male philosophers of the past are not the friends of women, but Mill is.
I like Mill a lot. And come to think of it, one of the things I like in him is one of the things I like in Nussbaum, too: they’re both extremely lucid.
The interviewer asks ‘Is it the legal expert, the academic, or the philosopher in you that gets angry about specious arguments (say, Judith Butler or Allen Bloom)?
I really don’t like bad arguments, but what I especially dislike are bad arguments put forward cultishly, with an in-group air of authority. I think that philosophy should stick to its Socratic roots, as an egalitarian public activity open to everyone. Thus even some admittedly great philosophers, e.g. Wittgenstein, inspire me with unease because they allowed a cult to grow up around themselves and wrote undemocratically. Heidegger was guilty of the same, but he is a much less distinguished philosopher than Wittgenstein, and he also did bad things in politics.
Exactly – ‘bad arguments put forward cultishly, with an in-group air of authority.’ That’s exactly it, that’s why it gets up my nose so when people worship Butler. It’s that cultish, in-group thing – it drives me insane. And that’s probably why I love Mill and Nussbaum, because they are as I said so lucid. They do the exact opposite of what Butler does. She makes a few small ideas obscure; Mill and Nussbaum make an ocean of large ideas utterly clear. They make philosophy ‘an egalitarian public activity open to everyone’ rather than a smelly little orthodoxy just for the trendy few. Down with cultishness, up with lucidity.
The new book is enthralling so far. And in another bit of serendipity, it’s also very relevant to this discussion about the relationship between Theory of Mind and empathy, and my suggestion that empathy and related qualities are cognitive before they’re emotional. Nussbaum talks about exactly that subject:
…it is quite unconvincing to suggest that all emotions are ‘irrational.’ Indeed, they are very much bound up with thought, including thoughts about what matters most to us in the world. If we imagine a living creature that is truly without thought, let us say a shellfish, we cannot plausibly ascribe to that creature grief, and fear, and anger. Our own emotions incorporate thoughts, sometimes very complicated, about people and things we care about.
So there you are, you see – I went to all that trouble to say something Nussbaum had already said. She goes into the matter further in an earlier book, Upheavals of Thought, which I’ve looked into but not read yet.
Though I must say I find the complaint that some philosophers “wrote undemocratically” more than a little disturbing. Philosophy isn’t a democratic process any more than science, so I hope she’s not suggesting that it ought to be. But perhaps I’m misinterpreting her intent there…?
Bad enough we can’t agree about so many things, without we gotta count votes! Still be glad it [philosophy] isn’t a dictatorship. I hope.
I’m right glad to see someone affirm that emotions and Reason/Logic are not necessarily opposed. Our new library has an indoor lookout with about a 100-foot drop, and it seems quite rational to be a little teeny bit nervous when looking down. It also feels quite good to know one is rational enough not to panic.
I have found somewhat useful the analogy of an oil stove, with emotions as the fire making it hot and the stove itself as Reason which contains and at times concentrates them. It might not fit all situations, but it seems from here just as useful as making those 2 things opposites all the time and valuing one side over the other.
Yes I see now it might not be fair to capitalize just one; I guess it’s a just an old habit…
I think from the context (and the word-choice) Nussbaum doesn’t mean philosophy itself – the content, the substance – ought to be democratic, but that the writing ought to be. She says they ‘wrote undemocratically’ – from the context I take that to mean cultishly, i.e. the way Butler and her admirers write – with an unecessary obscurity that seems to be there for its own sake rather than because it is inherent in the subject.
I also get that interpetation from reading her. She writes with extreme clarity but without compromise – at least so it seems to me.
KM, yes, the emotions-thoughts non-opposition is excellent stuff. I’ve had a tendency to make an opposition between emotion and cognition myself, and various people have tried to talk me out of it, with varying degrees of success. Nussbaum has clarified a number of things for me (so that I feel quite stupid not to have realized them before).
“‘Is it the legal expert, the academic, or the philosopher in you that gets angry about specious arguments…”
None of the above. It’s the social primate in you.
No it’s both. Legal expert or academic or philosopher as social primate. Surely you don’t see the two as in contradiction? Or do you.