Amateur anthropology or tourism?
On the one hand this is just a typically infuriating usurpation aka “appropriation”; on the other hand it’s an interesting point about an outsider point of view.
Men who call themselves women of course don’t “understand the experience of womanhood” better than women do. On the other hand they do have the advantage of the outsider point of view, which is at least different from the insider one, and has at least the potential to offer insights.
It’s like being a foreigner (which, in turn, is like being an anthropologist or a sociologist, minus the training). You’re clueless about a lot but you’re in a good position to make comparisons, which can be interesting and/or useful.
Of course, that’s no more true of TIMs than of other males; and, in fact, TIMs probably have much less potential to come up with insights, because they’re so uninsightful due to having their head up their ass.
If transwomen weren’t raised in an environment that treated them the way women are treated, with the expectations on women, they do not understand the experience of womanhood.
They understand what they believe is the experience of womanhood, but there is no way to experience womanhood without, well, without experiencing womanhood.
TERFs aren’t women is a grievous insult, and a mistake. Women are the only women, and the only ones who actually have experience being women…and that experience is different for every one of us from every other.
“TERFs aren’t women.”
At least they’ve finally come to the point.
White is now black.
@3: And Jefferson is the antichrist. Thank you. :-)
I’d be more impressed if their “long way around” wasn’t about wearing things like makeup and high heels but doing things like the dishes and changing diapers. Not that men can’t do those things and gain some insight about women too, of course.
I didn’t mean I was impressed, I just meant there’s a grain of truth to the claim that outsiders may be able to perceive things that insiders miss. I don’t actually think the fatuous person behind that tweet is a perceptive outsider.
And finally we come to what it’s been about all along. Men are better than women at everything, including being women.
Show these fellas a ‘white savior’ narrative involving a white man being better at native American things than actual native americans and they’ll froth at the mouth. Take that exact same narrative and recast it as a ‘male savior’ and suddenly they’re all about it
I dare people to look at the full thread. It’s a marvel of self-absorption and ignorance.
I think it’s a fair point at least to mention the “outsider point of view” issue. Gender ideology is criticized in part because those “inside” of it don’t realize how it looks to outsiders. People are often not very good judges of themselves, and so can sometimes benefit from someone with an outsider’s perspective. Loftus’ “The Outsider Test for Faith” is quite well put.
I think, too, that people who are being mistreated may not realize the extent to which they are being mistreated, or even that they are being mistreated. An outsider perspective is useful there as well.
It’s worth considering, and thinking about where it is and is not valid, and how to rebut when it is not valid.
But what if where you were “going to” wasn’t “woman” at all? What if you were heading somewhere else altogether? Then your “understanding” isn’t of the concept or idea you think and claim it is. It’s like going to Las Vegas to see the ersatz “landmarks” (like the Eiffel Tower, Sphinx, Statue of Liberty, etc.) and coming away from the experience claiming to be a seasoned world traveler, even though you were nowhere near the actual structures, and all you “experienced” was some casino architect’s trashy, cheesy, reproductions of them. I would say your insight into Pari, Egypt and New York was less than worthless, because you pretend to greater knowledge and understanding of these places than you could possibly have from your Vegas weekend.
That’s a brilliant simile.
Holms, I took that dare. Wow! I gotta go home and shower.
(I love the way they go on about “woman is more than a uterus”. Yeah, it is. I no longer have one, I am still a woman. That is totally beside the point. I once had a uterus. A transwoman never did.)
Thanks!