I’m sorry? You have to be kind at all before you can be less kind.
Anyway, you’ve already played the “trans genocide” card. You’ve already reached eleven. You have nothing else to exaggerate to, short of omnicide, or plotting the end of the entire Universe (but neither of those crimes “centre” trans folk, so you won’t go there).
But, they *are* sterilizing gay kids. Could one make a case of genocide being committed against lesbians and gay children?
Now, I know that this still is from Joyce’s interview on Triggernometry, a right wing podcast which takes views I really have problems with. Case in point, Joyce properly takes one of the hosts to task for making a very stupid analogy between the problem of PhoebeRose’s ideology and the migrant issue in the UK. Kathleen Stock shared that bit on her Twitter feed.
Well then, if it’s permitted to be less kind, then your (i.e. TRA’s) entire structure falls apart.
At first, it was: Of course TIMs are biologically men, but be kind. Please play along; it won’t hurt you.
Then it was: TIMs are literally women and TIFs are literally men.
Then it was (etc. etc. etc.)
Well, now it’s permitted to be unkind? Thank you. Let’s return to, what was it, just ten years ago or thereabouts. (Not that some people didn’t play along before then, but it was hardly obligatory.)
Genocide is one of those words like “fascism, communism, socialism, gender” that people throw out as accusations but have no meaning related to what they’re referring to.
White supremacists claim that miscegenation is genocide.
clamboy, your comment #2 misrepresents the conversation between the Triggernometry co-host Francis Foster and their guest Helen Joyce. The full interview is on YouTube here. The part you referred to is in the chapter of that video, “The Trans Issue in the Prison System” starting at 30:18 here. In that video chapter (13:07 long), they wonder, how are people not upset by males in female prisons? You referred to this exchange:
FRANCIS FOSTER: Is it (do you think), they’re not naïve, or they just (I interpret it as), they don’t want to think like that. So for instance (it’s, it’s like, you know), the migrant crisis, where you hear somebody on the Left go, “I think they should just all be allowed to come here.” And you go, “Well, you’re not really thinking about the long-term implications.” You’re not thinking about the impact that’s going to have on people. You’re not thinking about the impact that’s going to have on what’s going to happen further down the line.
KONSTANTIN KISIN: You’re just showing your care for people who are struggling.
HELEN JOYCE: I think that’s not a good analogy, because (you know), solving the migrant crisis would actually take serious efforts. Like, you’d actually have to do something, and you’d have to spend money, and you’d have to think about policies, and you’d have to accept (you know) maybe more or fewer drownings, but some drownings, (whatever, like) it’s tough. Tough choices have to be made.
There’s no tough choices here [with prisons]. We’ve got male prisons and female prisons. There’s literally no problem. We were doing it the right way before. I think it’s (you know) this word “privilege” is, is overused, but it’s mostly just badly used. It’s privilege. It’s the fact that the people who are talking about this are never going to be there themselves. You are looking at the people who are in the hardest situation in the world, when you’re looking at some of the prisoners, especially these women in prison. You know, these are women who are away from their partners, they’re away from children, their partners have left them (you know). It’s just people that (you know, like) I’m literally, I’m never going to be there.
And so, if you are attached to this [gender] ideology, for reasons to do entirely with virtue signaling, in my opinion, uh, this is a very inconvenient thought, the thought that prisons are a place that show that this was a bad thing to do.
In other words:
• Joyce agrees — the UK has a migrant crisis.
• Joyce disagrees — about how people think — because the UK migrant crisis is a hard problem to solve, versus males in female prisons is an easy problem to solve — by simply going back to a system that was working.
• Readers here can click on my link above to watch the video chapter about prisons (starting at 30:18, and 13:07 long) to see their conversation that leads to my transcript above. Joyce talks about her experience talking with “people”. I’m not sure if she means “people” face-to-face or online. But in any case, her conversation with Foster and Kisin is not about someone like Phoebe J Rose with an extreme ideology about “cisgender supremacists” who are “enabling genocide against trans people”.
I’m sorry? You have to be kind at all before you can be less kind.
Anyway, you’ve already played the “trans genocide” card. You’ve already reached eleven. You have nothing else to exaggerate to, short of omnicide, or plotting the end of the entire Universe (but neither of those crimes “centre” trans folk, so you won’t go there).
But, they *are* sterilizing gay kids. Could one make a case of genocide being committed against lesbians and gay children?
Now, I know that this still is from Joyce’s interview on Triggernometry, a right wing podcast which takes views I really have problems with. Case in point, Joyce properly takes one of the hosts to task for making a very stupid analogy between the problem of PhoebeRose’s ideology and the migrant issue in the UK. Kathleen Stock shared that bit on her Twitter feed.
Well then, if it’s permitted to be less kind, then your (i.e. TRA’s) entire structure falls apart.
At first, it was: Of course TIMs are biologically men, but be kind. Please play along; it won’t hurt you.
Then it was: TIMs are literally women and TIFs are literally men.
Then it was (etc. etc. etc.)
Well, now it’s permitted to be unkind? Thank you. Let’s return to, what was it, just ten years ago or thereabouts. (Not that some people didn’t play along before then, but it was hardly obligatory.)
In his defense, the word “kind,” like the word “woman,” is impossible to define.
What’s that line again? Oh yes, “Every accusation is a confession.”
Genocide is one of those words like “fascism, communism, socialism, gender” that people throw out as accusations but have no meaning related to what they’re referring to.
White supremacists claim that miscegenation is genocide.
clamboy, your comment #2 misrepresents the conversation between the Triggernometry co-host Francis Foster and their guest Helen Joyce. The full interview is on YouTube here. The part you referred to is in the chapter of that video, “The Trans Issue in the Prison System” starting at 30:18 here. In that video chapter (13:07 long), they wonder, how are people not upset by males in female prisons? You referred to this exchange:
In other words:
• Joyce agrees — the UK has a migrant crisis.
• Joyce disagrees — about how people think — because the UK migrant crisis is a hard problem to solve, versus males in female prisons is an easy problem to solve — by simply going back to a system that was working.
• Readers here can click on my link above to watch the video chapter about prisons (starting at 30:18, and 13:07 long) to see their conversation that leads to my transcript above. Joyce talks about her experience talking with “people”. I’m not sure if she means “people” face-to-face or online. But in any case, her conversation with Foster and Kisin is not about someone like Phoebe J Rose with an extreme ideology about “cisgender supremacists” who are “enabling genocide against trans people”.