Do it to HER
This guy…
That is, 60% of men who call themselves trans women are, according to another man who calls himself a trans woman, raped or sexually assaulted by other men in men’s prisons. Men assault other men in prison. Yes that’s a bad thing, and it shouldn’t happen. The solution, however, is not to put the men who call themselves trans women into the women’s prisons, because that just shifts the risk onto women, who are physically far more vulnerable. But Montgomerie thinks that is the solution. (Notice his breezy “most of which are non-violent.”)
I’m not replying with that, I’m replying with “don’t shift the violence onto women.” Montgomerie of course is expressing his indifference to women here.
What about Montgomerie’s indifference to the women being locked in a room with a load of men knowing the chance of sexual assault is sky high? What about them? What about them?
Also, LBC calls women “cis women.” News outlets need to stop doing that.
The next level will be when they build a special prison just for TiMs, and they sexually assault each other, and then TRAs will say: “See, this is why you need to put a TiM in a women’s prisons, where ‘she’ will be safe, because you see that if you put ‘her’ into a prison designated for TiMs, ‘she’ will get assaulted.”
The rate of sexual assault in women’s prisons is twice that of men’s prisons. Seems that should be a consideration.
Really? Of female prisoners sexually assaulting each other?
What’s wrong with assessing transwomen in prison on a case by case basis to decide if they should be placed in a women’s prison? It seems to be to be the best approach. I can see allowing some transwomen in women’s prisons, but a blanket policy without regard to past history, particularly a history of sexually assaulting women, seems inappropriate.
I have a hard time believing that 60% figure. I’d like to know where it came from. Heather Mason has worked hard to compile a list of every single trans-identifying male she can find in Canadian men’s prisons, and it doesn’t read like a list of vulnerable feminine gays particularly susceptible to sexual assault from other males; I’m seeing bog-standard violent male criminals, otherwise indistinguishable from any of the other violent male criminals doing time for rape and murder. It’s well-known that child abusers are considered the bottom of the barrel in the male prison pecking order, and a disproportionate number of the males in Canadian prisons identifying as transwomen have raped and/or murdered children. That might be a factor in the seemingly elevated rape statistics. Obviously no one should be assaulted in prison. But it would be a lot more obvious to people who are only half-paying-attention how horrible it is to put these men in women’s prisons if we put a stop to all these attempts to paint a picture of transwomen in prison as a uniform class of vulnerably feminine and harmless waifs. I’m sick to death of the co-opting of women’s generous sympathy and protectiveness towards feminine men (which I benefitted from all the time when I was a hyperfeminine, skinny gay young man who was bullied by other men) for these violent men who happen to have crossdressing paraphilias.
Sorry — Heather Mason is compiling a list of trans-identifying males in Canadian prisons, not Canadian MALE prisons. In fact, many of these prisoners have already been transferred to the female estate.
Exactly. This is what’s so hideous about that “no need for any documentation, self-declaration is all that’s required” policy. ANYBODY can just say.
Beth Clarkson, what’s wrong with assessing trans women in prison on a case by case basis to decide if they should be placed in a women’s prison is the fact that they’re men. Zero men should be placed in a women’s prison, because a women’s prison is for women. Zero men are women. No case by case basis changes that.
Sackbut @2: Or did you mean that males that have been transferred to women’s prisons commit assault twice as often as in male prisons? (I’m neither sure what you meant nor sure that you’re being serious.)
@#5
Yes, I was surprised myself at the prevalence of crimes against children in a list of men in skirts in women’s prisons. (Is that the right use of apostrophe?)
Clearly it is wrong to rape nonces, it is wrong to rape trans people.
It is also wrong tp pretend the nonces were raped because they were ‘trans’ when they were raped because they were nonces.
The solution of course is to reform prisons so that nobody – or as next to nobody as possible – gets raped in prison. I confess I don’t know how to do that, but I bet there are people who do.
bascule, this is right on. I don’t know how to do that, either, but it seems we could start with making prisons less inhumane. Starting by treating inmates as if they were people rather than livestock. Give them private bathroom stalls rather than a toilet in their cell. Give them decent beds, decent clothes, and decent food. I’m not saying every prison should be a country club; maybe more like an apartment house they can’t leave until their lease is up…sort of an analogy.
And allow better visitation with loved ones, especially for non-violent offenders. Give them things to occupy free time (I know prisons have libraries and such, but there could be some other things).
We have the wrong attitude toward incarceration. It should be geared more toward rehabilitation than punishment, with the recognition there are probably people who can’t be rehabilitated. It should be humane. There are some people that need to be locked up to protect society, like rapists and mass murderers, but we could do away with the practice of sticking people in prison because they smoked a joint. Our system is evil because we are a species driven to revenge and retribution, and our doses of sympathy and mercy are often low. Because we regard prisoners as “criminals”, we don’t regard them as people, and any suggestion we treat them with anything but humiliation and brutality is greeted with accusations of “babying” them. If being treated like a human adult is ‘babying’, then we could all do with some ‘babying’. But those two things are not the same.
Top marks on the reference btw
@GW #3
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2438589/
@13
Wow that was an interesting read, thankyou.
The rates of inmate on inmate in female versus male prisons really surprised me, and the rate of staff on inmate victimisation in either is horrifying (well, it’s all horrifying).
One question unaddressed by the report is who are the perpetrators? Are there a similar percentage of perpetrator inmates in female versus male prisons, or very few female perpetrators targetting more victims?