Cox by name
This guy continues to fascinate me in his cold-blooded outrageousness.
One person called him a “twunt” – just one, just one time. He says it’s all of us, and when challenged, refuses to admit.
I don’t love this “gender-crit” label either.
There. Like that. He gets one, we get a million, we point this out, he says he doesn’t think his complaint about his one and indifference to our million is unjust. Why doesn’t he think it’s unjust?
So one woman calling him a “twunt” one time is a deliberate strategy of intimidation? He’s a male barrister and she’s a female academic and he thinks she thinks he will be intimidated by being called a “twunt”? Puh-leeeeze.
Yesterday I asked him for examples of the threats. He wouldn’t oblige.
So that’s not very helpful.
I wasn’t the only one.
That’s all – just go through thousands of tweets looking for them. He’s not going to produce them because ……….??????
There it is again. He says threats; we say show us; he says read thousands of tweets to find them; we say we did, show us; he says you read all those???! He’s like a school bully.
Another pronoun snowflake, so offended. Try staying off twitter, dumbass, then you won’t melt.
Yeah, since when is calling someone something like twunt a threat? It’s childish name-calling, yes, but not a threat, any more than it’s a threat when you call someone a banana-head or a poopy-brain. We show him real threats – kill, bash, choke, die – and he shows us ONE tweet where someone calls him a name.
This is why the hate crime statistics against trans are on the rise – because they call things like this a hate crime. And they call it a hate crime to call a man a man. I feel like I’m in the middle of a Picasso painting, everything misshapen and out of proportion.
And they will never be specific, because the minute they actually produce their ‘evidence’ of what GC feminists are saying/doing, everyone not involved in the conversation, who doesn’t already know, will recognize the weakness of what they are saying. Wait, JKR only say women deserve their own spaces? She didn’t say “Die transwomen”? She didn’t say “take away all rights from transwomen”? She said “there used to be a word for that” when someone referred to “uterus-havers”? Wow, that’s so…not hateful, not dangerous. And people replied to her how? Die? Rape? Murder? Beat? Bash? Choke?
Anyone actually reading with an honest and open attitude would easily see who was committing threats, and in some cases, literal violence. Beating up elderly women, smashing women around on the playing field, telling little girls how to insert tampons (because they know how better with their history of never having done it, but they have a male body so they automatically know things, I guess). Insisting immigrant women wax your balls, and turning down offers from other women who say they will do it for you. Having a screaming, raging meltdown if some woman says “oh, sir, I think you’re in the wrong bathroom” when some beaded man with a huge male body comes into the women’s room.
If he is intimidated by that one feminist calling him a name, he better stay out of public life.
I’ve been involved in multiple hundreds-of-comments-long arguments in FTB and Patheos threads, just asking for someone to tell me what the sex of a trans woman is. Not a single person answered directly, but plenty chose to abuse and evade. I think “the answer is simple, but I’m not telling you” was about the closest I saw to an admission that the answer was known to undermine their position.
Like Holms, I run up against the “go and do your own research” time and time again. TIMS and their allies say it is not their job to educate me.
My own research led me to be a racist; people I offended educated me and helped me lose my racism.
My own research led me to be a homophobe; homosexuals educated me and helped me lose my homophobia.
My own research led me to be a misogynist; women, and a few men, educated me and helped me become a better person.
My own research led me to believe the sun shot out of my arse; science teachers proved that was not so.
Why is it that the world is full of people prepared to teach me, but TIMS think I’m better off “doing my own research”?
Roj, that claim annoys me as much as any other. If you are an advocate for a cause, then, yes, it is your job to educate me, or anyone else you want to convert to your cause. I educate people about the environment. I educate people about misogyny. I educate people about why it ain’t great to say you are OCD just because you have habitual behaviors. I don’t even consider myself as an advocate for that last, merely a person with OCD. I am willing to educate people about things I know and they don’t, if it will help lead toward something I believe in.
The thing is, I actually have data to back me up on what I educate on, so I don’t have to hide behind “I’m not here to educate you!”
Anti-vaxxers do their own research; that’s gone well.
Re ‘threats’–I almost never do this because I like to think I have better things to do than react to randos on the internet, but the other day I posted something by a rando on the internet shrieking about the ‘horrendous abuse’ (direct quote) he had received on Twitter; he was happy to offer the following as proof:
‘Lesbians who won’t suck lady**** and gay men who won’t shag females form an alliance with other exclusively same-sex attracted people, and get called bigots for being same-sex attracted.
I guess things are ‘getting better’
Jesus. How do you guys cope in the real world?’
I was literally scratching my head at how this could in any possible way be described as ‘horrendous abuse’. Someone replied with an interesting insight:
‘Because they’re so steeped in propaganda that at the slightest criticism, they’re reading six million things that nobody wrote and assuming everyone else is as violently-minded as they are. So he’s like ‘she’s spreading a lie that people like me pressure others into sex and she’s thus calling ppl like me perverts and she’s doing it so that people murder us’. … It doesn’t occur to them that women are being straightforward and mean what they say. So they freak themselves out reading nonsense between the lines. One example from down the rabbithole: I’ve seen a post going round on tumblr, reblogged sincerely, saying something like ‘when women post about men having bad hygeine, be aware that this is a terf dogwhistle since they consider trans women to be men and they want to associate us with all things unclean, to encourage genocide against us’. Some of them really believe this shit, and are cut off from anything that goes ‘wait, what?!’ and they have no frame of reference to see it’s rubbish because they’ve never been oppressed. So if you’ve got someone who thinks ‘lololol go have a bath’ is genocidal hate speech, then a mention of sucking cocks is enough to cause a heart attack.’
I would like to have thought that a grown-up adult man with a professional job wouldn’t be subject to this, but who knows.
Re ‘educate yourself’–a few people have pointed out that wacko right-wing stuff is readily available online, engaging and easy to understand, while actual information can be behind a paywall, difficult to access and often, unless you know how to approach it, challenging to understand and potentially off-putting. Actually learning things requires levels, work and progress–we’ve all seen ‘101-level’ conversations and ‘you’re in the wrong virtual space, we’re talking about sophisticated stuff here and not prepared/willing to stop doing that and answer basic questions’ (I remember an IRL conversation of this type at a lecture in an advanced history class decades ago–the professor basically said something like ‘if you’re asking questions like this you shouldn’t be in this room’).
There are a couple of explanations for why this is–first, it’s a whole lot cheaper and easier to spout right-wing (and often left-wing) unsupported opinion than to do the work of gathering, verifying, organising and presenting information, work that a lot of us want and expect to be paid for; second, at least with respect to right-wing unsupported opinion, there are plenty of people and organisations with deep pockets that are happy to pay for it to be enticingly packaged and widely disseminated.
As a university professor I did actually have to learn that people simply can’t ‘educate themselves’–that’s what they were paying me to do. I get that it shouldn’t be assumed that anyone (particularly women) should be expected to take on the work of ‘educating’ randos on the internet (for a while now my rule has been that I don’t ‘teach’ anyone unless a) they specifically ask, and are grateful for my efforts (and I have the time and inclination) or b) I’m being paid) but there has to be a better alternative than that dismissive ‘educate yourself’–as Roj said, for the reasons I’ve written, that will almost never lead to a good place.
guest, I think that some of the TRA hysteria about people who don’t believe TIMs are really women is projection. The quest of a man to become a woman is endless, because every cell in their bodies remains male. They cannot ever complete this journey because their own nature is ahead of them, and against them, at every step. They hate this, they hate their own frustrating nature, and they transfer this hatred externally, onto people who say, or remind them, that they will never truly be women.
TRAs hate same-sex attracted people because the mere existence of gays and lesbians reminds TRAs that they will forever belong to their birth sex, no matter what they do. Same-sex attracted people don’t have to say anything at all, just exhibit the stubbornness of continuing to exist, to be hated by TRAs. Because their internal quest of changing sex can never be completed, their quest is turned outwards into exterminating (legally or physically) any social proof of their sex, including same-sex attracted people, feminists, and anybody who doesn’t repeat their creed.
I get that…the part I don’t get is how any reasonable third party could perceive this woman’s tweet as ‘horrendous abuse’ of the person who screencapped it. The only answer that makes any sense to me is that the person who screencapped it believes it to be ‘horrendous abuse’ because he’s reading it as ‘coded language’.
guest, I see where you’re coming from. I read your post a few times, looking for the offensive quote, and it took me a bit to figure out that that was supposedly it.
Another sort of projection the TRAs traffic in is accusing others of doing the thing they’re doing. This is an example. How many times have we heard that saying that men in skirts aren’t really women is denying their very existence? Instead, TRAs are desperate to deny the existence of same-sex attracted people because same-sex attracted people are incompatible with their fantasies. Thus, acknowledging the existence of same-sex attracted people is a rebuke to TRAs. As TRAs are the most oppressed, aka most entitled people in existence, denying their ability to legislate people out of existence is a hate crime.
Yep, that was apparently it. I mentioned in a convo I was having elsewhere that I used to have a housemate who would say things like this:
‘So and so told me this morning that she liked my outfit. That must mean she doesn’t like my other outfits. She must think I’m ugly and dress badly. Well I hate her, she’s insulting and mean to me.’
guest, your ex-housemate sounds like a walking comedy routine.
Come to think of it, I think I already saw that routine.
https://youtu.be/_EuCOhT0Bg8?t=72
Papito, I think that’s right on, but I think there is more. They hate women, because it reminds them that no matter how hard they try, they are not women. A few TiM can pass as women, but most don’t. It is much easier for a transman to pass than a transwoman, even with surgery. So the very existence of women is a threat to them being seen as a woman. As long as women continue to look like women (with a small percentage that are androgynous or ambiguous), they cannot pass for women. So people ask them “are you a man or a woman?” and it enrages them. Because they believe (possibly rightly) that the person asking the question knows the answer, but is confused by their presentation. And the answer is not “you are a woman”.
Yes but – there isn’t really anything comparable on the other side. Trans men don’t treat men the way trans women treat women. Why would that be? My working assumption is that it’s 1. because a lot of men are misogynists and 2. because women know this and are afraid of men as a result.
In other words…as we’ve all noticed and talked about a million times, trans women take up 99% of the oxygen on this subject and spray 99% of the venom at anyone who doesn’t acquiesce. New boss same as the old boss. It’s pretty ironic, as we’ve all also noticed, that all these men so desperate to pass as women never think to drop the misogyny, which is such a dead giveaway.