I would like to sign, but right now, our school has already fired one instructor for trans-unfriendly remarks. I wish I had a pseudonym I wrote under, then I could sign as that. Unfortunately, I publish under my own name.
@iknklast, at mail.com you can create all sorts of FREE email addresses. I have around 20, some disposable, some used for one or two sites. You can also get a free, untraceable email address from protonmail.com.
because agreeing to disagree means agreeing to not exist, and agreeing to let the other person write papers that effect policy that affects the lives and rights of the people she’s attacking. there is no agree to disagree when you’re lobbying to have someone’s legal rights taken away or restricted
You don’t have the right to force other people to see you the same way you see yourself, otherwise we’d all want most of the world to see us as ultra-rich billionaires, and the tax authorities to see us as ultra-poor non-profits. That people see you differently to how you see yourself isn’t some sort of phobia on their part, nor is it an unbearable trauma, it’s life.
If you require the affirmation of others to exist, you don’t actually exist. Reality is real whether we agree with it or not, if your existence is contingent on the words of JK Rowling, then you don’t actually exist, any more than Hagrid actually exists.
Rowling is a rich author in the UK. She is not directing UK policy, nevermind global policy. Freedom of speech is a right, not all of the “rights” asserted by trans lobbyists actually qualify as such.
For example, there is no right to compete in sporting events under your preferred category. Otherwise the featherweight champion of the world in boxing, would be a mediocre heavyweight. A heavy person identifying as a light person would not be considered as having their existence or rights denied by boxing boards for this rule.
Now I’ve disagreed with some feminists on the issue of abuse shelters before. I think that there is a need for abused persons to have services geared towards them regardless of sex, that abused men do have a need for services directed towards them.
However, it doesn’t help abused men to close shelters that cater solely to women. The needs of the abused should take precedence over anybody’s feelings over the matter, and women who do not wish to face men after being abused, have the right to such safe places free of men even if you disagree with their personal feelings. “I’m a man and I would never…” doesn’t mean that she is in a state to face you, and her state of mind is the important thing in that situation.
People recovering from trauma should not be expected to be at their most emotionally stable, you don’t expect someone to run when their leg is broken, why do you expect the equivalent to people escaping abusive situations? There is a time and a place for discussing such issues, an abuse shelter is not one of them.
And what goes for men, goes for trans too. The answer to abuse suffered by trans individuals isn’t to shut down Women’s Place, it is to create shelters and services that cater to the needs of trans abuse sufferers. If you demand that shelters perform in a way that suits your politics rather than the needs of their residents, then you’re putting your politics ahead of the needs of abuse sufferers. Your rights do not trump the rights of those in need of such services.
It isn’t a denial of trans rights to state as such, anymore than it would be a denial of men’s rights to state as such.
Finally, if Rowling’s position on trans issues was simply ignored, then it would be largely unknown to the general public. Her advocacy only has the meaning it does now, because of the over-the-top reactions of ideologues who are chasing clicks and the latest sensation. It is as important as it is, mainly because of the rush to the virtue signal that has highlighted how lacking in virtue the signalers really are.
In the UK you have the Conservative Party in charge. In the US you have the Republican Party.
There are a lot of issues which should be taking precedence in both countries, and your press is arguing over the views of a children’s book author. There is this plague of highlighting the trivial to distract from the substantive, which only serves to undermine any real progress on any real issues.
And once again, as Ophelia keeps asking, what are the “rights” that gender critical feminists are supposedly denying these people anyway? I think I can safely say that there isn’t a single right that I’m granting myself that I’m not granting them as well. Does that mean I’m discriminating against myself? Or could it be that they’re actually talking about some additional, special “rights” that the rest of us don’t have…
I’m glad to see this petition take off so well. There were maybe 1000 signatures when I saw it yesterday.
Re #15, I suspect a lot of people are unselecting the option to display their name publicly. (By the way, that option exists, which makes it at least harder for people to discover you’ve signed the petition, especially inadvertently.)
I suspect a lot of people are unselecting the option to display their name publicly. (By the way, that option exists, which makes it at least harder for people to discover you’ve signed the petition, especially inadvertently.)
Thanks, Sackbut, for telling me this. I should now be able to sign. And will do so as soon as my long, exhausting Wednesday is over.
I signed last night and today already had to email support to tell them to “please fuck off”. There’s no unsubscribe link in the emails and I had specifically unchecked the box for further emails when I signed. Just an FYI.
I really hate when petition sites bombard you with mail. I don’t like when they require you to have an account with them, either.
I’ve only received two email messages from them, one welcoming me to their “community”, and one about the petition I signed. Thus far, from my end, they seem to be keeping to their promise not to bombard me. I don’t like that I have an “account”, but there are probably some verification benefits on their side for doing that. I chose not to sign another petition on a different site today for that reason.
@21 I got the same two emails, just checked. I used an old account I don’t look at much, and I was prepared for more spam, but so far so good. Also I didn’t use a pseudonym, but only put a last initial, so that works too. Not worried about being harrassed by the trans cult as much as just everyday privacy. They did however locate my ISP pretty accurately though, and since I was connected through a VPN at the time, that was a little spooky.
It’s true I only received 2 emails as well, but since the second was explicitly not requested (violation 1) and it neglected to include a link to easily one-click unsubscribe (the Prime Violation), the nuclear option was automatically triggered. :)
Signed it.
Solidarity and Truth to Power.
Signed
Done.
I’m in. Bring on the hate. I can handle it.
Done. And isn’t it great to have multiple email addresses?
Also signed.
I would like to sign, but right now, our school has already fired one instructor for trans-unfriendly remarks. I wish I had a pseudonym I wrote under, then I could sign as that. Unfortunately, I publish under my own name.
Done
Signed. Around 19,000 signatures when I was there, I think.
@iknklast, at mail.com you can create all sorts of FREE email addresses. I have around 20, some disposable, some used for one or two sites. You can also get a free, untraceable email address from protonmail.com.
/threadjack
Done!
+1
Saw on a comment about Stephen King coming out in support of Rowling:
https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/stephen-king-praises-jk-rowling-calls-gifted-storyteller/
You don’t have the right to force other people to see you the same way you see yourself, otherwise we’d all want most of the world to see us as ultra-rich billionaires, and the tax authorities to see us as ultra-poor non-profits. That people see you differently to how you see yourself isn’t some sort of phobia on their part, nor is it an unbearable trauma, it’s life.
If you require the affirmation of others to exist, you don’t actually exist. Reality is real whether we agree with it or not, if your existence is contingent on the words of JK Rowling, then you don’t actually exist, any more than Hagrid actually exists.
Rowling is a rich author in the UK. She is not directing UK policy, nevermind global policy. Freedom of speech is a right, not all of the “rights” asserted by trans lobbyists actually qualify as such.
For example, there is no right to compete in sporting events under your preferred category. Otherwise the featherweight champion of the world in boxing, would be a mediocre heavyweight. A heavy person identifying as a light person would not be considered as having their existence or rights denied by boxing boards for this rule.
Now I’ve disagreed with some feminists on the issue of abuse shelters before. I think that there is a need for abused persons to have services geared towards them regardless of sex, that abused men do have a need for services directed towards them.
However, it doesn’t help abused men to close shelters that cater solely to women. The needs of the abused should take precedence over anybody’s feelings over the matter, and women who do not wish to face men after being abused, have the right to such safe places free of men even if you disagree with their personal feelings. “I’m a man and I would never…” doesn’t mean that she is in a state to face you, and her state of mind is the important thing in that situation.
People recovering from trauma should not be expected to be at their most emotionally stable, you don’t expect someone to run when their leg is broken, why do you expect the equivalent to people escaping abusive situations? There is a time and a place for discussing such issues, an abuse shelter is not one of them.
And what goes for men, goes for trans too. The answer to abuse suffered by trans individuals isn’t to shut down Women’s Place, it is to create shelters and services that cater to the needs of trans abuse sufferers. If you demand that shelters perform in a way that suits your politics rather than the needs of their residents, then you’re putting your politics ahead of the needs of abuse sufferers. Your rights do not trump the rights of those in need of such services.
It isn’t a denial of trans rights to state as such, anymore than it would be a denial of men’s rights to state as such.
Finally, if Rowling’s position on trans issues was simply ignored, then it would be largely unknown to the general public. Her advocacy only has the meaning it does now, because of the over-the-top reactions of ideologues who are chasing clicks and the latest sensation. It is as important as it is, mainly because of the rush to the virtue signal that has highlighted how lacking in virtue the signalers really are.
In the UK you have the Conservative Party in charge. In the US you have the Republican Party.
There are a lot of issues which should be taking precedence in both countries, and your press is arguing over the views of a children’s book author. There is this plague of highlighting the trivial to distract from the substantive, which only serves to undermine any real progress on any real issues.
And once again, as Ophelia keeps asking, what are the “rights” that gender critical feminists are supposedly denying these people anyway? I think I can safely say that there isn’t a single right that I’m granting myself that I’m not granting them as well. Does that mean I’m discriminating against myself? Or could it be that they’re actually talking about some additional, special “rights” that the rest of us don’t have…
I only saw around 6-7k signatures… mebbe they’re filtering out the throwaway addresses?
I’m glad to see this petition take off so well. There were maybe 1000 signatures when I saw it yesterday.
Re #15, I suspect a lot of people are unselecting the option to display their name publicly. (By the way, that option exists, which makes it at least harder for people to discover you’ve signed the petition, especially inadvertently.)
It was just under three thousand when I signed yesterday. When I checked it just now, the total is over seven thousand.
Thanks, Sackbut, for telling me this. I should now be able to sign. And will do so as soon as my long, exhausting Wednesday is over.
Signed.
I signed last night and today already had to email support to tell them to “please fuck off”. There’s no unsubscribe link in the emails and I had specifically unchecked the box for further emails when I signed. Just an FYI.
I really hate when petition sites bombard you with mail. I don’t like when they require you to have an account with them, either.
I’ve only received two email messages from them, one welcoming me to their “community”, and one about the petition I signed. Thus far, from my end, they seem to be keeping to their promise not to bombard me. I don’t like that I have an “account”, but there are probably some verification benefits on their side for doing that. I chose not to sign another petition on a different site today for that reason.
Signers are over 10,000 now. Good.
My cat signed it. She can’t lose her license to be cute.
@21 I got the same two emails, just checked. I used an old account I don’t look at much, and I was prepared for more spam, but so far so good. Also I didn’t use a pseudonym, but only put a last initial, so that works too. Not worried about being harrassed by the trans cult as much as just everyday privacy. They did however locate my ISP pretty accurately though, and since I was connected through a VPN at the time, that was a little spooky.
Signed it. It’s over 12000 signatories now.
It’s true I only received 2 emails as well, but since the second was explicitly not requested (violation 1) and it neglected to include a link to easily one-click unsubscribe (the Prime Violation), the nuclear option was automatically triggered. :)
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15,000 signers now = me + 14,999 others.
Signed. >16k.