Not all that peaceful
One of the London Bi Pandas wrote a blog post about last night’s heroic women-bullying escapade:
Yesterday, we held a peaceful rally protesting and picketing an event held by Labour Women’s Declaration.
It wasn’t peaceful, but leaving that aside – they held a rally to protest and picket women having a meeting. They did that, and they find it so normal that they announce it as if it were going to the shop for some Heinz tinned beans. I guess we’re not supposed to meet and talk at all.
The event’s purpose was to force the Labour Party into enforcing “sex-based rights” and “challenge extremist gender ideology and say that sex matters”. The event hosted speakers from the Anti-Trans hate groups LGB Alliance, A Woman’s Place UK and more.
Shock-horror! Lesbians and Gays, and Women!
The protest was a much needed moment of trans+ solidarity in a landscape of rising violence against trans+ and non binary people with the London Bi Pandas, B With the T, L With the T, G With T, the Muslim LGBT Network, Transmissions, Queer AF Brighton and all the LGBTQIA+ folks and allies who joined us for the evening to challenge the violent and harmful rhetoric that continues to exclude trans+ women from women’s spaces and movements.
Emphasis mine. It’s not violent harmful rhetoric, it’s reasoned analysis and discussion. Women are allowed to “exclude” men from women’s spaces and movements, because women, as an oppressed class, need spaces and movements to organize away from their oppressor class. Trans women are men, so women have the right not to include them in everything. Many trans women are quite shockingly hostile to women, which just gives us all the more reason to decline to include them in everything.
As we said, there is no feminism without trans+ women and men, and there is no liberation without trans+ and non binary people.
Not their call. Men don’t get to say what there is no feminism without. Men especially don’t get to say there is no feminism without them. How does it sound to say there is no black liberation without white people? Not too good, does it. Very rude, very domineering, very intrusive. It’s the same when trans women scream at us and threaten us to force us to include them. The more they scream the less we want them anywhere near us.
For those not there, we’d like to tell you that there was a police presence there last night, and we were not arrested despite being around police officers observing and policing that space. This is because we were not violent, and did not commit any illegal activity. We peacefully protested and picketed the gathering of several anti-trans groups who are continuing to strip us of our rights, access and opportunities while misgendering, invalidating and othering us.
Hmm. Wait a second. Didn’t he just accuse us of violent rhetoric? Yes, he did; see the bolded passage above.
Also I don’t really think I would call this “peacefully protesting and picketing” when it’s so shouty and angry.
The shouting and anger aren’t literally violent, to be sure, but given that what they are shouting angrily at is not a meeting of corporate bosses determined to bulldoze a national monument or a tribal burial site, not a meeting of military planners who want to invade a tiny weak country to seize its oil – given that the meeting is of women discussing their rights, the angry shouting does hint at violence. Women – all women – are unpleasantly familiar with angry shouting, and aware that it doesn’t always stop with the noise. I’m not calling the shouting violent, but I am saying it’s not exactly peaceful either. The word, I suppose, is “threatening.” Loud threatening shouting doesn’t really get the label “peaceful.”
We’d like to reiterate that conflating conflict as violence does no one good. Yes, it was an event filled with conflict because we were literally there picketing it. But to state that we were violent, braying, and a mob is incorrect.
See above. The author conflated conflict and violence himself, and they were indeed braying. That’s the nature of a demo, but they were men braying at women, so…
Ultimately, this narrative continues to make it clear: Trans+ people are not allowed to be angry about the treatment, violence, harm, trauma they face in a cisnormative society. We are only allowed to be angry in ways that are deemed palatable to women’s sensibility politics. That any anger about our treatment is deemed as aggression, and that aggression is used to invalidate our viewpoint, our gender, and our purpose.
This is theft of a core insight of feminism: that what is seen as forthright and brave in men is redescribed as improper aggression in women. This is men defending their aggression against women in feminist terms as if they were themselves women. This is one of many reasons we refuse to “include” them in our feminism.
And once we were done making our voices heard, just before 9:00pm we stood in silence at the end of the event, with our fists raised in Trans+ solidarity.
In other words they screamed all through the event in order to disrupt it and make it difficult for the women there, and didn’t stop until it was over.
So they didn’t feel proud enough of letting off a smoke bomb to mention that?
Actually they apologized.
An infuriating article by Zoe Williams. Sentimental, muddled. I can’t stand her at the best of times.
Headline:-
“Feminist solidarity empowers everyone.”
Well no, it doesn’t empower eg a Saudi male who wants absolute control of the women in his life. It disempowers him, as it should.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/10/feminist-solidarity-empowers-everyone-the-movement-must-be-trans-inclusive?fbclid=IwAR376bFXCdYw8V1hz9zv2L1Ksz1SZzLYqUSl4k_BKmP5Z97IYzNHUKaGZ2I
” Feminism, in my life’s experience of it, takes the side of the oppressed. That is our raison d’etre.”
Oppressed WOMEN. Otherwise don’t call it feminism but everybodyism.
“What are we doing, trying to consecrate the public lavatory as a place so precious to the experience of womanhood that we have to be exclusive, rather than inclusive; that we have to characterise ourselves as a set of vulnerabilities, rather than strengths?”
So women don’t need safe spaces away from males? That if they do, they’re a bunch of sissies?
“trans people as predators, the trans movement as deliberately poisoning the young.”
No mention of the really very troubling medicalising of body dysmorphia or confusion about sexual orientation.
Ophelia @ 2, well, that will teach me to read the linked blog. Still, is that an apology? Sure they apologised to the residents of the Grenfell area, but they quite explicitly excluded the participants at the meeting from that apology. The people at whom the act was directed. Their claims to have been peaceful little lambs singing kumbayah feel hollow to me.
This sounds exactly like typical male complaints about not being able to say, do, or grab what they want when women are around. They won’t allow us, because sensitivity, Waaahhhh!
But equating honest disagreement and scientific studies with violence does do someone good?
Rob @ 4 – oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not giving them any credit, just setting the record straight since I omitted the apology part from the post.
KBPlayer – GOD I am sick of these fools who announce that feminism is about everyone. Feminism is about the idea that women do not have to put everyone else first!!!!eleven!
And as we all know, if police choose not to take action, that means there was nothing warranting action. Which is a total backtrack on the usual logic of things.
Zoe Williams’s “Be nice, ladies” article is getting a going-over.
https://twitter.com/ruthserwotka/status/1237505378016993281
As a typical USian, I had to read several of the posts before I understood that smoke bombs “outside Grenfell Tower” specifically was an issue, above and beyond the general issue of using smoke bombs as an act of ‘peaceful protest’. When I finally twigged to it, and read the Wikipedia article on the worst residence fire in the UK since WWII (ie, when the Germans were bombing up the joint), my gut reaction was that this was of the same level as the torch-bearers in Charleston–just barely maintaining plausible deniability while indulging in hate and fear tactics.
Fucking disgusting.
The police were too busy making sure no one was retweeting a limerick.
And now Billy Bragg calls Williams’s sweet ice-cream with extra chunks of sweeter fudge in it article “powerful”.
It’s the word “solidarity” that gets him.
https://twitter.com/billybragg/status/1237489351535271938
Snap. I was arguing with Billy Bragg as you posted.
Oh, great minds etc. But how could that piece of feel-good let’s-all-be-nice to everyone slop be called “powerful”? Glad that you take it to bits rhetorically and logically on your other post. Z Williams is one of the many columnists that you wonder how they keep a gig writing – she’s a bad writer and a bad thinker. I don’t normally bother with her pap.
I’m not a big Bragg fan (indifference not hostility) but plenty of other people are. Also, he only just seems to have heard of this issue.
Seriously. I didn’t get around to the Williams article yesterday despite curiosity much whetted by your disdain; it took the Bragg nonsense to tip me over that edge. It’s astounding how bad her writing is.
I don’t really know who he is, but won’t be joining his fan club soon.
The byline of that piece by Williams contains a doozy of a statement: “Taking the side of the oppressed has long been feminism’s raison d’etre.” Um no, taking the side of the female sex has been that. Fucking hell, the intersectional types genuinely don’t know what feminism is.
And the byline is her own words re-arranged. Zoe Williams said that idiotic thing.
Billy Bragg is about the best known singer of songs about miners, oppression, wars etc i.e. protest and political songs in the UK. He is a just about a household name here. I think the USA equivalent would be Pete Seeger (now dead), though Bragg is about 40 years younger.
Are you aware that the author of the original article is not amab?
KBP – ohhhh – that changes my view of him a bit. I remain a fan of Pete Seeger’s and of that genre of folk song. He’s still wrong about this, but…heart in the right place type of thing.