Unscientific Scientific American
The Scientific American blog has a shockingly bad – and anti-science – post by Jennifer Block attacking Jen Gunter for disrespecting The Anecdote.
Gwyneth Paltrow’s Goop brand is annoying, unattainable and overpriced, for sure. But Goop does more than just annoy. It incites an interesting rage among medical professionals in particular, most prominently Jen Gunter. An ob-gyn and the author of The Vagina Bible (also a New York Times contributor, prolific Twitterer, TV show host and soon-to-be podcaster), Gunter wrote an open letter to Paltrow in 2017 and hasn’t stopped harping on her since. Gunter points to Paltrow as emblematic of the “wellness industrial complex” that is not only exploiting gullible women with snake oil but threatening their health. At a recent event in Toronto, Gunter went so far as to call Paltrow “a predator.”
Goop does indeed do more than just annoy: it promotes products and practices that are useless and/or dangerous to gullible people, especially women. It does harm. It’s not just some expensive irritation, it’s a source of harm. Why should Gunter stop “harping” on Goop? It’s fraudulent, profitable, popular, and dangerous – Gunter performs a service by “harping” on it. What Paltrow does is indeed predatory, whether she admits that to herself or not.
Block concedes that Gunter has “considerable feminist cred” but then gets to her real objection.
But as Gunter tours the continent promoting her book and other media ventures, she’s also been calling out Our Bodies, Ourselves for spreading “misinformation,” because it was originally written in the 1970s and not by doctors. In a letter to Gunter, the board of directors (it is now a nonprofit) defended its more current editions, which have been continually updated and vetted by “dozens of physicians and researchers.”
What Block doesn’t say, what we don’t learn unless we read the tiny blurb under her name at the end of the post, is that “she was among dozens of editors of the 2005 edition of Our Bodies, Ourselves.” That should be in that paragraph, right after she mentions the book.
Gunter was a child in the 1970s, but surely she has read some history. A book written for women by women—and not by doctors—was the whole radical point. The feminist health movement challenged what was then an extremely male-dominated, misogynist, paternalistic and not very evidence-based establishment. It disrupted the whole notion of expertise, or what scholars call “authoritative knowledge”…
The point may be “radical” but that doesn’t make it not stupid. Disrupt male-domination and misogyny all day long, but expertise? No. Fake expertise, deluded expertise, mistake-riddled expertise, yes, but expertise as such, fuck no. That kind of thinking is how we end up with Donald Trump squatting in the White House and Gwyneth Paltrow telling women to stick porous rocks up their vaginas.
In attacking the feminist health bible, Gunter tips her hand. What irks her isn’t actually the manipulative capitalism of Goop, but really anything that undermines her authority as a physician: Jade eggs and vaginal steaming and home remedies like yogurt or garlic to balance vaginal flora cannot possibly be beneficial because the medical establishment, the authorities, have not researched or endorsed them as such.
But that’s not why, not by itself. Block’s “because” there is just bullshit. Gunter explains why jade eggs and vaginal steaming and “home remedies like yogurt or garlic to balance vaginal flora” are bad and harmful.
Because if we dismiss everything that isn’t patented or presciption-only, we dismiss people’s lived experiences.
Ah the famous and inviolable “lived experience” – which I suppose means an experience of thinking vaginal eggs are a good idea because that nice Gwyneth Paltrow said so? So much more lived and experiencey than knowledge of chemistry.
Gunter goes so far out of her way to debunk yogurt, in fact, that she misses credible research suggesting that it might be beneficial. No, it hasn’t been rigorously studied in large randomized clinical trials. But in every edition since the 1972 original, Our Bodies, Ourselves has cautiously reported some version of “some of us have had success.” There’s nothing scandalous or unscientific or pseudoscientific about that statement.
Uh……..other than everything? Other than the fact that, as at least one person on Twitter shouted, that’s the definition of unscientific?
On her CBC show (unironically titled Jensplaining), Gunter channels Wonder Woman to wield her lasso of truth to separate “myth from medicine.”
Unironically? Unironically? How could it be anything but ironically? It’s not as if jensplain is a literal verb.
- “I want to stick foreign objects and substances in my vagina without a doctor telling me not to” is a weird hill to die on. Seriously though, as a microbiologist, please don’t mess with your vaginal microbiome by putting yogurt and rocks in your vagina.
- Ah yes, the classic “anyone who requires evidence is bad” argument. Glad to hear anti-intellectualism is [alive] and well, and the arguments against science are as contrived as ever. @DrJenGunter is better at this writing thing than you are.
- So, women can’t be experts on women’s health? Even if a woman spends years training and then helping other women she can’t claim her own expertise because that’s “patriarchal”? I’m confused.
I guess it’s unwomanly to get an actual degree in medicine. Real women just consult their lived experiences.
So, yet more of the idea that certain epistemological modes are properly feminine, combined with the ridiculousness of standpoint epistemology.
Which ultimately is just a way to justify literally anything and everything that you might care to believe.
That harping swipe really got me. The implicit patriarchy if not misogyny in that phrasing was breathtaking. As for SA associating itself with an attack on science and medicine…
“Some of us have had success” aka, a f**king bloody coincidence.. Right. Seems so much more legit than an actual medical degree to me, for sure. And wait.. “Our bodies, Ourselves” was written as anti-doctor–but now Block is proud later editions have involved actual doctors.. So she was happy it didn’t involve doctors, but now she is happy that it does involve doctors, but then she tells Gunter that is not all about doctors? What. The actual. F*ck?
I always thought the whole idea of science was to determine what is true by subjecting claims to a series of procedures designed to counteract our many human impairments of thinking.
“I think I do feel that my arthritis improved by 25% after I ate that herb that one time” doesn’t really cut it.
“It disrupted the whole notion of expertise…”
Uh, doctors of the 70s may not know what the current ones do (fucking duh), but I bet they knew more than non-doctors of the 70s.
“But in every edition since the 1972 original, Our Bodies, Ourselves has cautiously reported some version of “some of us have had success.””
Even setting aside the fact that experience does not beat aggregated data from controlled studies… How the hell does an author for SCIENTIFIC American not know about weasel words?
I think there was some point in women-focused health care. Even now, the default for medical research involves male subjects. Women’s ailments, women’s different symptoms, tend to get ignored. Then, most physicians were men. So there was some reason to look outside the medical establishment, but that doesn’t mean that women don’t want and deserve expertise and scientific knowledge.
And, of course, the placebo effect is part of people’s “Lived Experience”.
The special, precious, ‘Wimminz Way of Knowing’ crap is utterly reactionary in practice. Yes, there have been/are situations where ‘official’ knowledge has been effectively challenged from below. Even psychoanalysts don’t believe (some of) Freud’s worst absurdities. But they should never have been taken as authoritative in the first place.
It’s really been striking me lately how the last ~5 years on the “progressive” left have been “all the bad ideas that were fashionable in the 90s back and on steroids”. And here’s yet another blast from the past. “Scienceispatriarchyotherwaysofknowingwahoo!”
I think I mentioned in some long ago thread how I first discovered B&W through my Science Wars related reading. And here I thought something had been learned from that whole affair. Oh well.
I know. Reading that piece was so “Good god not this again.”
@AcademicLurker
I don’t think it is really the far left here. It is something I’ve noticed a fair bit – that bad products and bad people are often defended on identity grounds.
Okay Bob Murray is known for Slapp suits.
Here’s the News and Sentinel’s Mike Myer claiming he isn’t a bad guy:
https://www.newsandsentinel.com/opinion/local-columns/2019/11/bob-murray-is-not-the-bad-guy/
Its the same muh identity bullshit that’s being pulled here with Goop. I mean the most relevant things about Murray have nothing to do with his religion, they have everything to do with his abuse of the courts in order to silence dissent.
The most relevant thing about Goop isn’t “Hey women’s voices” – its “Hey, this is snake oil”. Who is selling the bullshit doesn’t stop it being bullshit.
I look at Amy Klobuchar. She’s probably the most centrist candidate in the Democratic Primary right now – and reports came out detailing how she was a horrible person to work for.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-staff.html
How was this defended? Call her critics sexist.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/13/amy-klobuchar-sexism-jennifer-palmieri-225026
I’m a South African and out here, it is a matter of record that identity politics was used to try and distract from our state being looted.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/sep/05/bell-pottingersouth-africa-pr-firm
I don’t think I have to go into how this technique has allowed horrible people who call themselves trans to get away with an unending stream of unacceptable bullshit, by saying the magic word “Terf”.
And I look at “Political correctness gone mad in the UK” – with police officers calling people up over tweets, and that’s under a government that’s been conservative for a fairly long time now. That’s not under lefty Labour, but the conservative Tories.
I suspect at least a portion of the disdain people have for “social justice” nowadays has nothing to do with anything actual social justice is about, but rather the way the language of social justice is being perverted to discourage people from voicing legitimate concerns.
That technique I think is being used across the board – and in multiple areas. I don’t think bad ideas are being brought back by the left, I think they’re being brought back by PR companies because they’re very powerful tricks to keep people from thinking.
And all of it is being lumped into the “far left” – when really it isn’t, or at least it isn’t particularly.