If a cisgender student feels uncomfortable
The headline:
Palatine School District Approves Full Bathroom Rights For Transgender Students
Had transgender students been denied “full bathroom rights” until now? What are “full bathroom rights” anyway? Do students who are not transgender still have them at Palatine School District?
The suburban high school district at the center of a national debate over transgender student rights voted Thursday night to gives its transgender students full access to school locker rooms and bathrooms.
So they can go into all of them? While students who are not transgender have to pick those for girls or those for boys?
The debate over transgender student access started four years ago when a student charged that the district’s practices discriminated against transgender students. The student filed a complaint with the federal government, which found in 2015 that the district was violating the student’s civil rights by denying her use of the girls’ locker rooms.
In other words a boy who Identified As a girl wanted to use the girls’ locker rooms, and the feds determined that he had a civil right to do that. The right of the girls not to have a boy in their locker room while they were changing clothes apparently didn’t matter.
The district said if a cisgender student feels uncomfortable changing around a transgender student, there are private areas to use or accommodations can be made on request.
That’s not the issue. The issue is girls who don’t want to change around a boy, seeing as how saying tut loudly and moving away doesn’t actually work. The onus shouldn’t be on girls to “request” an “accommodation” or a mysterious “private area.”
In a statement, the American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois said the district’s policy is welcome and long overdue.
It doesn’t matter what the girls think; they don’t count.
A locker room include the showers, where I am skeptical of the claim that “there are private areas to use or accommodations can be made on request.”
My gym had no private changing or showering stalls when I was in school.
I suppose all the girls could ask for a private changing and showering area: they could call it “the girls’ locker room.”
I thought private areas for those who wanted them had been deemed unacceptable? So they’re only acceptable when a girl has to use them apparently.
I think it will probably take organized campaigns to overwhelm the infrastructure – if 25 girls ask for accommodations and private areas, the schools simply will not be able to provide the space in a timely fashion. it will take practices and classes not starting on time to produce the stress to the system,
BKSA:
Precisely.
This is suspiciously similar to those prayer cases, where children who did not want to pray in their (public) school could stand in the hallway while the others pray. This immediately marks the child.
I find it remarkable that it’s always “I feel like a girl and I must be allowed in the girls’ locker room” and never ever ever “I feel like a girl and I can’t bear having to use the boys’ locker room but I understand that the girls won’t be happy to have me in theirs, we need another option please”. How can there not ever be a single trans girl who possesses the most basic level of empathy? Or do they just keep their heads down and go unnoticed?
iknklast
Yes, and I have no doubt at all that any girl asking for a private changing area will be bullied and ridiculed.
latsot – exactly. They will be “transphobe” “bigot” “bitch” and “TERF”. Their life will become hell. Of course, changing with boys in the changing room will mean their life will become hell the other way, too.
If being a “woman” means thinking/feeling in ways XYZ, while being a “man” means thinking/feeling in ways PQR, and trans activists are the sole authorities when it comes to defining ways XYZ and PQR respectively (since anything other than 100 % blind, unconditional, unthinking agreement with their take on the issue in advance is “denying trans people’s right to exist” etc.), which bathrooms are available to those of us who neither think/feel in ways XYZ nor in ways PQR? As I have written many times, I sure as hell am not a “man” if being a “man” says anything about what’s going on inside my head”.
As I wrote with respect to sporting events for “women”…
Substitute “sporting events” for “bathrooms” etc., and the same logic applies.
Good point. Where are the non-binary changing rooms and toilets? Where, I say!
I demand access to otter bathrooms without delay. Wait, my building doesn’t have any otter bathrooms. They are denying my right to exist!
@Ophelia #11
Especially since there seems to be so few (if any) “binary” people (i.e. people whose way of thinking or feeling really does fall into one of two clearly identifiable and distinct categories). I sure as hell don’t know of any.
Bjarte – I have a brother who certainly puts on all the markers of being binary. I have seen no trace in him of so called feminine characteristics, other than knowing how to make coffee and spaghetti, and if you point that out to him, he will remind you that all of the great chefs are men.
I do think he works very hard at never showing a single “feminine” trait, but who knows? I can’t get inside his head to be sure (and I wouldn’t want to; he is just like Trump in so many ways, right down to the fact that other people have taken care of him his whole life and he believes he is a self-made man).
Other than that, yeah, I don’t know anyone I would call binary. And, like I said, I think he makes a big show of it because the idea of being even 0.000000001% feminine horrifies him.
@iknklast
Then again, the angry trans activists who pretty much claim to be the definition of “womanhood” don’t show many signs of traditional “femininity” either, but share more than a few traits with Your brother as well as Trump and every MRA and misogynist troll out there.
I wonder If I can spot a difference.
If a ___ is uncomfortable changing in the company of a particular sex, they should be given leave to change in the spaces reserved for the other sex.
But also:
If a ___ is uncomfortable changing in the company of a particular sex, they should leave the space reserved for their sex and hope that the school can find somewhere for them.
Isn’t it strange how being uncomfortable in the company of a given sex means two conflicting outcomes at once, decided solely by whether the person in question decides that they aren’t their own sex. Oh well, just make the girls cede ground as usual.
It is always easier to make the girls cede ground than to reform the boys to behave better.