On top of the ‘isolated stories’ bull, I notice that Ronson is implicitly saying that Linrehan’s opinions about transwomen in women’s sport are invalid because he’s not really interested in sport. That’s like saying that my opinions on sex work are invalid because I don’t use prostitutes and porn, or that since I’m neither Jewish nor Palestinian I can have no valid opinions on Israel.
I’ve read some of Ronson’s work and seen him on TV, and he’s always seemed to be a rather intelligent and witty man. It’s incredibly odd how so many people, intelligent people like Ronson, have simply abandoned critical thought over this one issue and turned into little more than trolls-for-trans.
On that note, AoS, why should I fight to help keep legal abortion? I am not going to need one, because I have passed the point where pregnancy is a concern for me. So I should just STFU about abortion rights? Besides, every abortion story is just an isolated story, and every dead woman is just an isolated story.
Sounds like just more support of total immersion in self to the extreme of narcissism.
Also, it’s worse than that, I’ve met the bugger (Ronson not Johnson, thankfully) so I don’t have an excuse for getting his name wrong, let alone substituting it for that of someone who could not be more different.
He (Ronson) was indeed intelligent and progressive-seeming. It was a delight to meet him. The way he portrays himself in his books seems to describe him as I encountered him: someone who questions himself and everyone else constantly. A small s skeptic which in these times is welcome and by no means a typically masculine man.
Twitter is a very awkward medium to navigate or understand. Someone has a profile name, an @name, and a real name, or maybe even more than one such twit identity, and yet everyone assumes that everyone else knows who or what is being talked about.
X got thrown under the bus. But it’s not clear who X is in the tweets because he never appears as X, he only appears as gobbledygook and @crypticfakename. And X supposedly gets thrown under the bus “after you tweeted that sports picture.” But nowhere in the entire posted tweets does anyone ever show where the offender posted which offensive picture. It’s like trying to complete a jigsaw where half the pieces are missing.
Sorry. It’s not just Twitter – it’s also that I sometimes (often) do several posts on one subject so the third or fourth may be confusing if you haven’t read the first and second. I didn’t know which sports picture was at issue either until I went back in the thread’s history – which, yes, is often a confusing and frustrating aspect of Twitter.
Jon Ronson is yelling at Graham Linehan (@Glinner) for posting a picture of an enormous trans woman among a basketball team of girls who come up to his elbow (all of them are in uniform), as an illustration of how some (not many, yet) trans women compete against much smaller girls and women.
The other one, from today, was about Ronson throwing Hadley Freeman (a Guardian columnist) under the proverbial bus simply because some random twerp demanded why he’d been joking with her on Twitter when she’s a “transphobe.” I posted about it because I find this business of strangers demanding to know why one is talking to X on Twitter such a fucking outrage, and because of the speed with which Ronson jettisoned Freeman.
I had an incident resembling the latter the other day, the first for a while (probably because I’m on all the TERF blocklists). It began with a follower asking why I was RTing transphobic stuff (I wasn’t) and ended with their friends saying there was no point in arguing about whether I’m transphobic, because transphobes always argue in bad faith. Then they all promptly vanished in a puff of logic.
The photo you’re describing can only be of Gabrielle Ludwig, who plays for a girls’ community college team in Santa Clara, CA.
Size aside, Ludwig is 52. Before transitioning a few years ago, he had a military career, a wife and children, and a professional career. Probably earned a college degree at one point as well, I don’t remember. Now that she’s transitioned, this is all just some mid-life fun and games, hanging out with the 18 and 19 year old girls. As 50-year-olds do.
So by Ronson’s logic, there was no Holocaust, just six million isolated stories that were used to smear that cuddly Nazi community?
The author of the books about how people are shamed online?
CHRIST.
Yep, that’s the one.
On top of the ‘isolated stories’ bull, I notice that Ronson is implicitly saying that Linrehan’s opinions about transwomen in women’s sport are invalid because he’s not really interested in sport. That’s like saying that my opinions on sex work are invalid because I don’t use prostitutes and porn, or that since I’m neither Jewish nor Palestinian I can have no valid opinions on Israel.
I’ve read some of Ronson’s work and seen him on TV, and he’s always seemed to be a rather intelligent and witty man. It’s incredibly odd how so many people, intelligent people like Ronson, have simply abandoned critical thought over this one issue and turned into little more than trolls-for-trans.
On that note, AoS, why should I fight to help keep legal abortion? I am not going to need one, because I have passed the point where pregnancy is a concern for me. So I should just STFU about abortion rights? Besides, every abortion story is just an isolated story, and every dead woman is just an isolated story.
Sounds like just more support of total immersion in self to the extreme of narcissism.
I’m disappointed with
JohnsonRonson too. I didn’t expect this of him at all.Reminds me of how every mass shooting is an isolated incident.
latsot; Johnson? You got Boris on your mind?
Yeah, I realised the typo about half an hour later when I was AFK. I assumed you’d all autocorrect.
‘Me too’ and ‘Black Lives Matter?’ What could be more ‘isolated?’
Aos @various:
Also, it’s worse than that, I’ve met the bugger (Ronson not Johnson, thankfully) so I don’t have an excuse for getting his name wrong, let alone substituting it for that of someone who could not be more different.
He (Ronson) was indeed intelligent and progressive-seeming. It was a delight to meet him. The way he portrays himself in his books seems to describe him as I encountered him: someone who questions himself and everyone else constantly. A small s skeptic which in these times is welcome and by no means a typically masculine man.
Like I said, welcome.
And yet here we are.
latsot, I’ve noticed a lot of woke people can fit that description until they start in on trans.
As happened here, yes.
Twitter is a very awkward medium to navigate or understand. Someone has a profile name, an @name, and a real name, or maybe even more than one such twit identity, and yet everyone assumes that everyone else knows who or what is being talked about.
X got thrown under the bus. But it’s not clear who X is in the tweets because he never appears as X, he only appears as gobbledygook and @crypticfakename. And X supposedly gets thrown under the bus “after you tweeted that sports picture.” But nowhere in the entire posted tweets does anyone ever show where the offender posted which offensive picture. It’s like trying to complete a jigsaw where half the pieces are missing.
Sorry. It’s not just Twitter – it’s also that I sometimes (often) do several posts on one subject so the third or fourth may be confusing if you haven’t read the first and second. I didn’t know which sports picture was at issue either until I went back in the thread’s history – which, yes, is often a confusing and frustrating aspect of Twitter.
Jon Ronson is yelling at Graham Linehan (@Glinner) for posting a picture of an enormous trans woman among a basketball team of girls who come up to his elbow (all of them are in uniform), as an illustration of how some (not many, yet) trans women compete against much smaller girls and women.
The other one, from today, was about Ronson throwing Hadley Freeman (a Guardian columnist) under the proverbial bus simply because some random twerp demanded why he’d been joking with her on Twitter when she’s a “transphobe.” I posted about it because I find this business of strangers demanding to know why one is talking to X on Twitter such a fucking outrage, and because of the speed with which Ronson jettisoned Freeman.
I had an incident resembling the latter the other day, the first for a while (probably because I’m on all the TERF blocklists). It began with a follower asking why I was RTing transphobic stuff (I wasn’t) and ended with their friends saying there was no point in arguing about whether I’m transphobic, because transphobes always argue in bad faith. Then they all promptly vanished in a puff of logic.
The photo you’re describing can only be of Gabrielle Ludwig, who plays for a girls’ community college team in Santa Clara, CA.
Size aside, Ludwig is 52. Before transitioning a few years ago, he had a military career, a wife and children, and a professional career. Probably earned a college degree at one point as well, I don’t remember. Now that she’s transitioned, this is all just some mid-life fun and games, hanging out with the 18 and 19 year old girls. As 50-year-olds do.
The photo in question, for the curious: https://culturallyboundgender.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/bilde.jpg