Not above insults
Martina Navratilova in the Sunday Times:
Shortly before Christmas I inadvertently stumbled into the mother and father of a spat about gender and fair play in sport. It began with an instinctive reaction and a tweet that I wrote on a serious forum dealing with the subject. “You can’t just proclaim yourself a female and be able to compete against women,” I tweeted. “There must be some standards, and having a penis and competing as a woman would not fit that standard.”
Perhaps I could have phrased it more delicately and less dogmatically, but I was not prepared for the onslaught that followed, chiefly from a Canadian academic and transgender cyclist named Rachel McKinnon.
She notes the controversy around McKinnon’s win at the Masters Track cycling world championship in Los Angeles last October, including the fact that the woman who came in third said it wasn’t fair. She notes McKinnon’s “vigorous” defense but says
Nevertheless, at 6ft tall and weighing more than 14 stone, she appeared to have a substantial advantage in muscle mass over her rivals.
Indeed, one that is uncomfortably visible in photos of the three winners together.
My tweet brought an angry response from McKinnon, whom I had not named (I had no idea who she was at the time). She accused me of being “transphobic” and demanded I delete my tweet and apologise. Since I have spent much of my life fighting injustice, on my own behalf and for others, I was pretty put out, especially when the bullying tweets from McKinnon continued, like incoming fire.
McKinnon is like that, as I’ve mentioned more than once. It remains interesting to me that McKinnon seems to have no inhibitions about bullying women this way, when you’d think it would mess up the whole presentation aspect of being a trans woman.
Ever the peacemaker, I promised to keep quiet on the subject until I had properly researched it.
Well, I’ve now done that and, if anything, my views have strengthened. To put the argument at its most basic: a man can decide to be female, take hormones if required by whatever sporting organisation is concerned, win everything in sight and perhaps earn a small fortune, and then reverse his decision and go back to making babies if he so desires. It’s insane and it’s cheating. I am happy to address a transgender woman in whatever form she prefers, but I would not be happy to compete against her. It would not be fair.
She explains about bone density and muscle mass, along with oxygen-carrying red blood cells.
Hundreds of athletes who have changed gender by declaration and limited hormone treatment have already achieved honours as women that were beyond their capabilities as men, especially in sports in which power rather than skill is paramount. McKinnon is just one example. That may uphold the International Olympic Committee’s charter, which holds that “the practice of sport is a human right”, but it is surely unfair on women who have to compete against people who, biologically, are still men.
Anyway even the International Olympic Committee’s charter doesn’t say “the practice of sport is a human right and therefore trans women get to compete against women.” The two issues are separate.
She talks about Renée Richards and Castor Semenya, and wraps up by returning to McKinnon.
McKinnon, who says she received more than 100,000 hate messages on Twitter after winning the world championship, has presented herself and other transgender athletes as victims of prejudice. Certainly, there can be no excuse for such ignorance and nastiness.
But I also deplore what seems to be a growing tendency among transgender activists to denounce anyone who argues against them and to label them all as “transphobes”. That’s just another form of tyranny. I’m relatively tough and was able to stand up for myself in my Twitter exchange with McKinnon, but I worry that others may be cowed into silence or submission.
Here’s how I concluded my Twitter spat: “Rachel, you may be an expert on all things trans, but you are one nasty human being. Attack, attack, attack. I will not take it from you. You did not engage; you bullied. Not blocking you [though I later did, because who wants all that negativity], but enough already. All I want is fairness.”
I think some trans activists must be secret double agents, put there to damage their cause and alienate as many people as possible. Rachel McKinnon (Martina's adversary) definitely qualifies. Here she is in USA Today last year. pic.twitter.com/FYgLFaH3Gn
— Andrew Gilligan (@mragilligan) February 17, 2019
Dawn Ennis at Outsports wrote a piece today which concluded with this elegant riposte:
Athena Del Rosario, an NCAA hockey goalie who came out in Outsports in 2017, tweeted her disappointment to us, upon seeing Navratilova’s op-ed:
“Oh geeze she thinks I’m a cheater without even knowing shit about me. What a loser. As an athlete being called a cheater is just about the worst thing. Martina, you re trash. I’m not above insults. You’ve got a more manlier body than me you bag.”
Outsports reached out to Navratilova for comment, but as of press time has not received a response; a U.K.-based anti-trans group that she follows, “Fair Play For Women,” instead offered a thread of tweets supporting her claims.
“Tweeted her disappointment to us” by calling Navratilova a loser, trash, and you bag.
Please, keep telling us trans women are women and there is no trace of misogyny or sexism in trans activism at all whatsoever.
How is this different from proclaiming oneself (or rather “identifying as”) as weighing less and competing against lighter athletes in sports divided into weight divisions? How is this different from proclaiming oneself to be younger and competing against children? After all, people say “You’re as young as you feel,” but in this case, they wouldn’t really mean it. Hell, my internal sense of how “old” I feel hasn’t changed a lot in nearly forty years. Where does that leave me? Do I get to try out for high school sports teams? (not that anyone would want me…) Anyone attempting to force their way into any sports leagues under these self-identifications regarding weight or age would be laughed off the field, or, warned off for trespassing if they insisted, in all seriousness, that they be allowed to compete simply by right self-declaration, however sincere or strongly felt.
It’s strange how these examples of weight and age are somehow clearly unacceptable, though they are no farther from conforming to material reality than the example of trans women athletes competeing in women’s sports cited by Navratilova. Weight and age are seen as valid reasons for segregation and exclusivity, yet the penis gets a pass. As far as I can tell, all three scenarios are equally delusional, equally at odds with the facts on the ground, equally dependant upon internal “feelings” that are not immediately obvious to anyone outside of the “feeler’s” skull, Yet one of these delusions is accepted in some quarters as perfectly reasonable. Why cannot my hypothetical “trans mass” athletes get by with clothing that makes them look thinner and lighter? What about fat shaming? Why cannot “trans age” atheletes who make the effort to dress the part, and put in the time to learn how to pitch their voices to sound more like teenagers or children be accepted to compete in their leagues? This strategy has paid off for Sandra Forgues, why not my imaginary athletes? The one case is not so “obviously” different from the other two, yet receives a very different degree of acceptance.
As I know you already know, it’s always been ok for women to bully other women, as long as it’s the right women being bullied.
McKinnon appears to be one of those sorts that will make endless time available for spitting venom.
Ummmmmmm I thought the entire basis of trans theory is that some people are men/women internally, without being that way physically? Isn’t that what trans means for fuck sake? If a person was both internally* and externally female, wouldn’t that make her a cis woman by that same theory? So then a trans woman is physically male by definition.
But the sex segregation in sports is explicitly based on performance differences between male and female bodies. That’s why it is sex segregation and not ‘inner gender identity*’ segregation.
But male bodies ‘taking over’ Olympics and other areas of sports is precisely the reason behind sex segregation. And isn’t it interesting that literally no one has expressed worry about trans men taking over the Olympics, and trans men have also not been pushing for inclusion in male sports (that I have seen). I wonder why?
*Obviously I am setting aside the obvious issues with such concepts, and simply taking their theory at face value.
Good for Ms. Navratilova. I thought she was being too deferential to McKinnon when she said she’d study the issue, but glad to see she really did and then, better informed, came out with guns blazing.
Athena Del Rosario is upset that Martina Navratilova thinks she’s a cheater, etc.? Martina Navratilova doesn’t even know who she is. She doesn’t think of her at all.
Still surprised to see the “McKinnon’s not acting like a woman” argument. Women can and do act all sorts of ways. Ronda Rousey in MMA probably had more “bullying” behavior than McKinnon (far more than almost all men in MMA). And McKinnon’s claims wouldn’t be any more acceptable if she acted “feminine”.
“So then a trans woman is physically male by definition.” #3
Yes. It’s precisely why I, a so-called cis woman, can never be a trans woman. Because I am female.
“Trans woman” = “male woman”; “cis woman” = “female woman”. The fact that I can never be a trans woman (according to this way of thinking) is the tacit admission that people cannot actually change sex.
beauvoir’s baby, #5, you can go one better than being a trans-woman, you can be a woman who identifies as a female-identifying male, or dualtrans-woman.
btw. is the ‘beauvoir’ part of your ‘nym pronounced the same way as ‘Belvoir’ (be-ver), or as ‘bo-vwah’ a shortened form of the common root of both words, the French ‘beau a voir’?
AoS, I think I am a ‘cis’-woman identifying as a trans-woman, and therefore should be recognized as a trans-woman, because if that is how I ‘feel’, than that is how I ‘am’.
Except, I am trans-otter, and therefore, I cannot be trans-woman. Or am I allowed two separate identities?
#7
Trans-otter has got to be at least as valid as nutrois, omnigender and similar drivel.
In a sport with weight classes, we have perhaps ONE trans-man.
The first professional transgender male boxer in U.S. history made his pro debut on Saturday— with a decisive win. December last year.
http://time.com/5475037/boxer-transgender-male/
John, that’s interesting but the losing fighter’s record suggests a soft target for Manuel’s debut bout. Aguilar has had just six professional fights in nine years, losing all of them; twice to knock-outs, three unanimous decisions and one majority decision.
I’m not knocking Manuel, I’d just rather wait to see how well he fares against better opposition.
It is also worth pointing out that male/female bodies are not a guaranteed win/loss, but rather advantage/disadvantage.