Gorgeous, horny, crush, beautiful, secretary
Explorers find yet another cache of hostility to women.
A pathbreaking new study of online conversations among economists describes and quantifies a workplace culture that appears to amount to outright hostility toward women in parts of the economics profession.
Alice H. Wu, who will start her doctoral studies at Harvard next year, completed the research in an award-winning senior thesis at the University of California, Berkeley. Her paper has been making the rounds among leading economists this summer, and prompting urgent conversations.
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The underrepresentation of women in top university economics departments is already well documented, but it has been difficult to evaluate claims about workplace culture because objectionable conversations rarely occur in the open. Whispered asides at the water cooler are hard to observe, much less measure.
But now water cooler conversations have moved to the internet, and new ways of finding patterns have been worked out.
This is what Ms. Wu did in her paper, “Gender Stereotyping in Academia: Evidence From Economics Job Market Rumors Forum.”
Ms. Wu mined more than a million posts from an anonymous online message board frequented by many economists. The site, commonly known as econjobrumors.com (its full name is Economics Job Market Rumors), began as a place for economists to exchange gossip about who is hiring and being hired in the profession. Over time, it evolved into a virtual water cooler frequented by economics faculty members, graduate students and others.
It now constitutes a useful, if imperfect, archive for studying what economists talk about when they talk among themselves. Because all posts are anonymous, it is impossible to know whether the authors are men or women, or how representative they are of the broader profession. Indeed, some may not even be economists. But it is clearly an active and closely followed forum, particularly among younger members of the field.
Ms. Wu set up her computer to identify whether the subject of each post is a man or a woman. The simplest version involves looking for references to “she,” “her,” “herself” or “he,” “him,” “his” or “himself.”
She then adapted machine-learning techniques to ferret out the terms most uniquely associated with posts about men and about women.
The 30 words most uniquely associated with discussions of women make for uncomfortable reading.
In order, that list is: hotter, lesbian, bb (internet speak for “baby”), sexism, tits, anal, marrying, feminazi, slut, hot, vagina, boobs, pregnant, pregnancy, cute, marry, levy, gorgeous, horny, crush, beautiful, secretary, dump, shopping, date, nonprofit, intentions, sexy, dated and prostitute.
I count three out of the thirty that are neither demeaning nor sexual: levy, nonprofit, intentions.
The words that deal with men betray no such pattern.
It includes words that are relevant to economics, such as adviser, Austrian (a school of thought in economics) mathematician, pricing, textbook and Wharton (the University of Pennsylvania business school that is President Trump’s alma mater). More of the words associated with discussions about men have a positive tone, including terms like goals, greatest and Nobel. And to the extent that there is a clearly gendered theme, it is a schoolyard battle for status: The list includes words like bully, burning and fought.
Wu points out that the anonymity of the posts removes social pressure to be something other than a shit. That of course is what I’ve been saying for years (so many years, way too many years): that the anonymity of Twitter and discussion boards and so on makes this kind of dreck possible.
Wu looked at themes as well as vocabulary.
This part of her analysis reveals that discussions about men are more likely to be confined to topics like economics itself and professional advice (with terms including career, interview or placement).
Discussions of women are much more likely to involve topics related to personal information (with words like family, married or relationship), physical attributes (words like beautiful, body or fat) or gender-related terms (like gender, sexist or sexual).
Men are complicated people who think and work; women are blobs who get poked and have babies.
To be sure, the online forum Ms. Wu studied is unlikely to be representative of the entire economics profession, although even a vocal minority can be sufficient to create a hostile workplace for female economists.
Janet Currie, a leading empirical economist at Princeton (where Ms. Wu works as her research assistant), told me the findings resonated because they’re “systematically quantifying something most female economists already know.” The analysis “speaks volumes about attitudes that persist in dark corners of the profession,” Professor Currie said.
And other professions, and intellectual interests, and fandoms, and and and…
Some economists say they find the discourse on econjobrumors.com to be a breath of fresh air. George Borjas, an economics professor at Harvard, wrote on his blog last summer that he found the forum “refreshing.”
Professor Borjas said: “There’s still hope for mankind when many of the posts written by a bunch of over-educated young social scientists illustrate a throwing off of the shackles of political correctness and reflect mundane concerns that more normal human beings share: prestige, sex, money, landing a job, sex, professional misconduct, gossip, sex. …” In an email sent on Wednesday, after he received a copy of Ms. Wu’s paper, Professor Borjas said his views had not changed.
Ah yes. It’s always so refreshing to throw off those shackles of political correctness and go back to calling women sluts and bitches. Thank you, Professor Borjas.
Assholes (whether sexist or racist or just garden variety) always think that everyone else is like them, and that at most, they differ only in their willingness to be “honest” and “tell it like it is.”
Economists know better than most how increasing the opportunity cost of a proposition will limit investment in it. They might not be as familiar with the term ‘self-fulfilling prophecy’, but I’m betting they are, at least on a subconscious level.
Any way to tell if they’re justifying themselves via the Bible, or evo-psych?
Would it make any difference?
But don’t you just love the assumptions on display from Professor Borjas: “… mundane concerns that more normal human beings share: prestige, sex, money, landing a job, sex, professional misconduct, gossip, sex.”. What with all the talk about the sexual attributes of women, one would think that all of these normal human beings must be straight men (or lesbian women… nah!). I bet that if ALL of the normal human beings on that forum were as eager to talk about their sex lives, and as likely to assume that everyone else is interested in what they have to share, there’s be much more discussion (in posts about men, of course) about dick size, erection quality, refractory period, stamina, premature ejaculation, weird O-faces, oral skills, fingering skills, who is likely to refuse to wear a condom and his excuses about that (and comparing notes on whether the excuses hold water), the odd uncircumcised dick in the mix, etc, etc, etc. Somehow, I’m also willing to bet that if Professor Borjas kept stumbling on a lot of those discussions (especially if he had a reason to suspect a few of them might be about him, without naming any names, of course), he might find them to be thoroughly unappetizing and may be just a little less enthused about their very existence. But obviously, the only human beings interested in sex (and the only ones whose sexual concerns are interesting enough to share around the virtual water cooler) are the men (not the gay ones, obviously, he specified “normal”).