Clymer says in the clip that doctors say “trans women should be housed in women’s prisons” – since when is that a medical matter? Surely it’s a matter of risks and benefits to all parties?
“The science” is NOT on his side. No science anywhere has ever shown that human beings can change sex.
Maybe “all” the medical organizations endorse “gender affirming care,” but it’s not a punched ticket in all circumstances. Some medical organizations have reversed course, and now do not recommend or endorse puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, or cosmetic surgery for minors. Some medical organizations may support “gender affirming care,” but only in cases of genuine body dysphoria. Some organizations might endorse “gender affirming care,” only after other modalities — psychotherapy, or treatments for comorbidities — have been tried and failed.
There may or may not be good reason to discharge male transgender soldiers or female transgender soldiers. It’s possible that some may not be deployable, because they would be unable to access medications they need (or “need”) for their ongoing treatment. In such cases, members could legitimately be separated from the service as not fit for the service’s mission. I personally don’t think much of what transgender soldiers claim to need as medical treatment (eg, cross sex hormones) is really medically necessary; in that case transgender service members could be combat-ready and deployable, as the service requires. I don’t see what difference it makes which uniform the service member wears, either male or female uniform components, where there is a difference. But wearing the uniform designed for the other sex doesn’t change your sex. Men wearing the female uniform should use the men’s barracks and latrines; women adopting the male uniform should stick to the women’s accommodations. Of course, Clymer doesn’t address the nitty gritty of how transgender service members should be assigned or housed or clothed or any of that. The bare statement that there needn’t be a ban on transgender people serving in the military (a proposition I generally agree with) does not address the issues raised by such service. It should be generally okay as long as sex segregation lines are not crossed. Clymer never considers the nuts and bolts of how transgender members could serve. He acts as if the entire problem is solved by his general assertion, but he fails to acknowledge, much less unpack, the issues within the topic of transgender people serving in the military.
Some authorities say that transgender identifying men SHOULD be housed in women’s prisons? Who, exactly? What is the rationale? I can think of no good reason except the tired old double standard that men are allowed to be afraid of male violence, but women are not allowed to reasonably fear men in their private spaces. Give me a break.
All Clymer’s assertions are false, or lacking in detail, or devoid of analysis or substantiation. It’s a tissue of fabrication from beginning to end.
maddog @4 Apparently, Charles Clymer was in the military from 2005 – 2012, but didn’t “transition” until 2017. so actually being trans in the military isn’t part of his story (yet he implies that it is).
Trans activists say Poilievre’s response to the Ballouz case — to say that no male prisoners will serve time in female jails — is overly simplistic and hurtful to all trans people.
“It’s a full blown denial of identity,” Trianon said. “If you’re going to call trans women men, you’re first and foremost dehumanizing them, denying who they are, creating a licence to discriminate by completely erasing them.”
It’s not ” overly simplistic” to recognize a simple fact: there are only two sexes. Women and ” trans women” are not the same sex.
The people divorcing human beings from reality — actually dehumanizing everyone under their ideology — are T and their supporters.
The people “denying who they are,” quite literally, are the T, who deny that they are the sex they are, and insist they are the sex they’re not.
Nobody is “erasing them.” T can dress, present, style, and modify/mutilate themselves all they want to. The men who say they prefer to wear dresses can do so all day long, every day, and twice on Sunday, if they want to. The only thing the stated policy would do is prevent them from lying about their sex. That’s not “a license to discriminate” against trans people. The only “discrimination” that’s happening is in the sense of discernment, distinguishing the person’s actual sex, where it matters, from “identity.” It’s. . . ironic? hypocritical ? gaslighting? . . . that T dogmatists use the distinction/conflation of sex from “gender” as both sword and shield, as having their cake and eating it too. They viciously and smugly bludgeon questioners or critics with the club of, “sex and gender are not the same thing! Stop conflating the two!” all the while busily conflating sex and gender, yet denying that that’s what they are blatantly doing. It’s pure projection, inasmuch as gender critics are the ones scrupulously maintaining the distinction between sex and gender.
In another part of the article, T advocates object to making separate prisons or separate wings for transgender prisoners, arguing that such segregation — for the physical safety of transgender inmates — will “out” them as transgender. Again, T want it both ways: they want their former name and their actual sex, as well as any criminal conduct committed under their former name, to be a secret; they want to forbid mention or knowledge of their transgender status. On the other hand, they want to flaunt their transness in everyone’s faces, and to be the center of attentionas trans people, all day, every day, promoting their transgender identity with innumerable days, weeks, or months of Pride, visibility, awareness, Remembrance, or any other excuse to make everything about them. THEY get to talk about themselves and their marvelous and celebrated — and stunning and brave — transgender identity, but no one else is allowed to mention the topic. For everyone else it’s “you must affirm and validate my claims to be the other sex,” and to disregard what we all see in front of our own eyes.
I encourage people to check out the first reply to that tweet.
Clymer says in the clip that doctors say “trans women should be housed in women’s prisons” – since when is that a medical matter? Surely it’s a matter of risks and benefits to all parties?
@ Holmes #1
For those who have never twiXed, what does the comment say?
It’s all lies.
“The science” is NOT on his side. No science anywhere has ever shown that human beings can change sex.
Maybe “all” the medical organizations endorse “gender affirming care,” but it’s not a punched ticket in all circumstances. Some medical organizations have reversed course, and now do not recommend or endorse puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, or cosmetic surgery for minors. Some medical organizations may support “gender affirming care,” but only in cases of genuine body dysphoria. Some organizations might endorse “gender affirming care,” only after other modalities — psychotherapy, or treatments for comorbidities — have been tried and failed.
There may or may not be good reason to discharge male transgender soldiers or female transgender soldiers. It’s possible that some may not be deployable, because they would be unable to access medications they need (or “need”) for their ongoing treatment. In such cases, members could legitimately be separated from the service as not fit for the service’s mission. I personally don’t think much of what transgender soldiers claim to need as medical treatment (eg, cross sex hormones) is really medically necessary; in that case transgender service members could be combat-ready and deployable, as the service requires. I don’t see what difference it makes which uniform the service member wears, either male or female uniform components, where there is a difference. But wearing the uniform designed for the other sex doesn’t change your sex. Men wearing the female uniform should use the men’s barracks and latrines; women adopting the male uniform should stick to the women’s accommodations. Of course, Clymer doesn’t address the nitty gritty of how transgender service members should be assigned or housed or clothed or any of that. The bare statement that there needn’t be a ban on transgender people serving in the military (a proposition I generally agree with) does not address the issues raised by such service. It should be generally okay as long as sex segregation lines are not crossed. Clymer never considers the nuts and bolts of how transgender members could serve. He acts as if the entire problem is solved by his general assertion, but he fails to acknowledge, much less unpack, the issues within the topic of transgender people serving in the military.
Some authorities say that transgender identifying men SHOULD be housed in women’s prisons? Who, exactly? What is the rationale? I can think of no good reason except the tired old double standard that men are allowed to be afraid of male violence, but women are not allowed to reasonably fear men in their private spaces. Give me a break.
All Clymer’s assertions are false, or lacking in detail, or devoid of analysis or substantiation. It’s a tissue of fabrication from beginning to end.
maddog @4 Apparently, Charles Clymer was in the military from 2005 – 2012, but didn’t “transition” until 2017. so actually being trans in the military isn’t part of his story (yet he implies that it is).
The latest controversy in the Canadian media with the topic of trans and prisons.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-murder-case-trans-inmates-1.7431025
It’s more of a photo with caption.
Tweet: https://x.com/GregLooganus/status/1911780352290402384
and if you can’t access that:
@Holms #7
Thanks. I remember that photo but didn’t remember that that’s Clymer.
@zoombats #6
From the linked article:
It’s not ” overly simplistic” to recognize a simple fact: there are only two sexes. Women and ” trans women” are not the same sex.
The people divorcing human beings from reality — actually dehumanizing everyone under their ideology — are T and their supporters.
The people “denying who they are,” quite literally, are the T, who deny that they are the sex they are, and insist they are the sex they’re not.
Nobody is “erasing them.” T can dress, present, style, and modify/mutilate themselves all they want to. The men who say they prefer to wear dresses can do so all day long, every day, and twice on Sunday, if they want to. The only thing the stated policy would do is prevent them from lying about their sex. That’s not “a license to discriminate” against trans people. The only “discrimination” that’s happening is in the sense of discernment, distinguishing the person’s actual sex, where it matters, from “identity.” It’s. . . ironic? hypocritical ? gaslighting? . . . that T dogmatists use the distinction/conflation of sex from “gender” as both sword and shield, as having their cake and eating it too. They viciously and smugly bludgeon questioners or critics with the club of, “sex and gender are not the same thing! Stop conflating the two!” all the while busily conflating sex and gender, yet denying that that’s what they are blatantly doing. It’s pure projection, inasmuch as gender critics are the ones scrupulously maintaining the distinction between sex and gender.
In another part of the article, T advocates object to making separate prisons or separate wings for transgender prisoners, arguing that such segregation — for the physical safety of transgender inmates — will “out” them as transgender. Again, T want it both ways: they want their former name and their actual sex, as well as any criminal conduct committed under their former name, to be a secret; they want to forbid mention or knowledge of their transgender status. On the other hand, they want to flaunt their transness in everyone’s faces, and to be the center of attentionas trans people, all day, every day, promoting their transgender identity with innumerable days, weeks, or months of Pride, visibility, awareness, Remembrance, or any other excuse to make everything about them. THEY get to talk about themselves and their marvelous and celebrated — and stunning and brave — transgender identity, but no one else is allowed to mention the topic. For everyone else it’s “you must affirm and validate my claims to be the other sex,” and to disregard what we all see in front of our own eyes.
It’s crazy-making. And infuriating.