Differences
Deep thoughts.
Other than that, of course they’re not “the same”; what they are however is the same sex. The word “sex” doesn’t mean your temperament or personality or likes and dislikes; it just means your sex. No two humans are the same, either, but they’re still both humans. The word “human” doesn’t mean your temperament or education or history or location, it just means your species. Words have meaning.
“Concepts” of which people are women and which are men don’t “evolve across times, place and culture” – if they did, there wouldn’t be so many of us. Of course concepts of how women and men should behave evolve across all the things, but that’s a different matter. It’s useful to have a grasp on differences of that kind.
Advanced gender theory, snowflake edition.
Also… what’s with the diacritic in “cís”?
(I don’t want to nitpick, but they’re not quite identical.)
What does that mean in practice? What does Thomas Willett mean by “women”? It’s hard to think of any concrete property that would be shared by women and “trans women,” but not by humans in generals. The only way to justify such a vision of womanhood is to resort to vague spiritual nonsense – something that has no specific, testable criteria and amounts to nothing meaningful whatsoever. And then it’s not clear what the “recognition” he speaks of could possibly amount to. It’s like saying that indigo children deserve recognition.
What’s this “cis women” business? There’s no reason for “cis” to describe what we used to call “women” until very recently. Your forced labeling of women as “cis” women doesn’t even apply to many women you are trying to shove into that category. To the extent gender ideologists have provided a definition, “cis” as a descriptor of women is a “gender identity,” not a sex. Some women (sex) “identify with” or, more incoherently, “identify as,” or are comfortable with the bundle of gender stereotypes arbitrarily ascribed to women in some culture. News flash: since at least the 1970s, many feminist women have been pointing out that the social constructs of gender roles and stereotypes imposed on women are trappings and shackles of subordination, with no necessary application to any individual woman. Many feminists reject the notion of “gender” out of hand, and specifically do not “identify” with or as the bonds of oppression created for them. There is therefore a large swath of women (sex) who don’t have a gender identity at all. We are not “cis.” It’s not for you gender ideologists to impose a label onto others against their will.
The word “women” refers to adult humans who are female. It’s a word for the sex of the people spoken of.
BY DEFINITION, only a man (sex) can be a trans woman. That’s what the term “trans” signifies: he is a man and not a member of the sex class of women.
You WISH that the words “women” and “men” had “evolved” to slough off any connection to sex, but they haven’t, despite your fervent and desperate efforts to force such a change.
Sex is real. Sex matters. There are distinct differences between women and men, and these differences have profound effects on women (the sex), including SEXual assault, male pattern violence against women and girls, the SEXual risk of pregnancy, as well as needs peculiar to women, for women’s privacy, dignity, and safety. That’s why many facilities, spaces, services, etc., are segregated by sex, not by “gender identity.”
As much as you WISH there weren’t significant differences between women, and trans-identified men, where segregation is by sex, the differences are profound.
Men may conduct themselves so as to appear feminine. They are free to do so to their hearts’ content. They might be able in time to establish that adopting the trappings of femininity is a “valid” way for a man to live. In that sense, they might be “valid,” but it’s got nothing to do with women, or with what it is to be a member of the sex class called women. No matter what the man does to himself, he cannot change his sex. He will never be a woman. Being a woman is not a performative activity. It is a biological fact. A trans woman might “deserve” some recognition for creating a different way for men to be men, but no amount of effort, performance, wishing, sacrifice, or hardship will ever mean that a man “deserves” to be “recognized” as the sex he is not. To this, women say “No.”
“Trans women are men.”
That’s the truth. Your mantra is a lie. Trans women are NOT women. Not ever. Repeating a lie a million times doesn’t make it true. It’s still a lie.
That’s the vernacular term, so I used it.
Then why refer to both groups by the same name? How is treating “cis women” and “trans women” as subsets of the same group, different than lumping together fruit bats and baseball bats? And how does any of this imply that people who think/feel/identify/”present”/etc. in certain ways best left unspecified need to be granted access to all the same spaces as people whose bodies have developed along an developmental pathway associated with producing large, immobile gametes?
I hereby let it be known that I’m stealing “fruit bats and baseball bats”
Steal away! In return perhaps Ophelia will clean up some of my idiotic typos ;D
Bullshit. Some of “we” is doing exactly that. “India” Willoughby claimed to have a cervix and claims the “F” in his passport makes him female. Some trans identified males claim to have “period” cramps. Some demand the time and attention of gynecologists. Any of them demanding access to women’s single SEX spaces are doing so on the strength of the claim that they are the same. Try making that claim in a forum where they insist on the truth of the exact opposite of what you’re saying. You’ll be deemed toxically transphobic and cancelled before you know it.
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‘What we mean is that trans women are valid & deserving of recognition as women.’
Sounds so reasonable, at first. But in real life it means:
‘Anyone who SAYS they are a trans woman is valid & deserving of recognition as women.’
And, as I like to mention, all the catholic clergy ‘identify’ as celibate, therefore than can be no problem of children’s safety in their care…
I again ran across something about “Sovereign Citizens”.
There is a lot of similarity between them & “trans-women” going to a gynecologist.