Before you find yourself throwing up your hands in a tizzy
Ok let’s see if I can stomach this. Dreadful pompous smug fencing coach in August 2023 telling women and girls why they should take a back seat and like it.
So perhaps, before you dive in, it’s best to call out my beliefs up front before you waste your time reading this and find yourself throwing up your hands in a tizzy.
He means women there. It’s only women who “throw up their hands in a tizzy.” It’s so womany – stupid, weak, emotional, futile. Already we know where we are.
- Trasngender women are women and gender is not sex.
- Transgender fencers deserve the right to compete with the gender they identify with, and those of adult age should comply with the competition guidelines and regulations outlined by USA Fencing and the IOC—even if the science those IOC guidelines might be imperfect.
- A separate division denies them their truth to compete as their authentic selves and is antithetical to USA Fencing’s Diversity and Inclusion (D&I) vision.
- There is a possibility that transgender women have a physical advantage over their cisgender opponents after transitioning. There is also a possibility they do not. In Fencing, there is no data to support either viewpoint.
- Giving athletes a sense of belonging and a will to live is more powerful than medals and competitive glory.
Transgender women are men. If they were women they would just be called women.
Males who claim to be transgender have zero right to “compete with the gender they identify with” (presumably meaning as the gender they identify with), because males have physical advantages over females. It’s perfectly simple and obvious.
Talk of “their truth” and “their authentic selves” is just cloying silly rhetoric, and in no way a reason to trash women’s sports.
Of course men have an advantage over women before and after and during transitioning. There’s no “there is a possibility” about it.
If giving athletes a sense of belonging and a will to live is so important why isn’t it as important for women as it is for men???
What a horrible man.
There’s a lot more. Basta.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Errch_Ze44
If you’d won the men’s international fencing competition
Perhaps this might help:
Transgender women are men and gender is the same as sex, except for French pronouns etc.
Transgender fencers deserve no right to compete with the gender they identify with, and those of adult age etc…
A separate transgender division affirms them their truth to compete as their inauthentic selves and is in accord with USA Fencing’s Diversity and Inclusion (D&I) vision.
There is a damned certainty that men dressed up as women have a physical advantage over their cisgender real women XX opponents, after dressing up or otherwise. There is also, in some, a hope of a chance of a possibility that perhaps they maybe do not. But in sport, there are tons of data to support division on real vs imagined sex lines…
Giving athletes a chance to win medals and competitive glory beats any sense of fair play. Belonging, however phony, and a need to win is more powerful than anything else, even while wading through bullshit up to one’s neck.
Hope that helped.
Gender is not sex, and the words woman and man refer to sex rather than gender, therefore trans women are not women.
The sports are divided on the basis of sex rather than any self-perception or internal feeling, therefore they can ‘identify as’ whatever they wish and it will not make a difference as to which division they are placed in. Why not have some fun and identity as a galaxy? They will still be men competing against men, while calling themselves not-men.
Male people are ‘authentically’ men. That’s just the meaning of the word.
But there is extensive data showing the male sex has multiple athletic advantages over the female, and so the female division is protected against their entry on that basis. Those males who choose to take performance-reducing drugs have done so knowingly, but they are not thereby women.
Then stop implying disagreement with TWAW robs them of the will to live!
What is this “will to live” horse puckey? Are you deploying the emotional blackmail “I will just have to kill myself if I don’t get my way!” gambit? WTH are you on about?
As to “giving athletes a sense of belonging,” three points:
1) The male (now “transgender” athlete had a full ‘sense of belonging” the whole time he competed in the boys’ or men’s division, at least as much as the nature of competitive sports fosters or promotes any “sense of belonging.”
2) Athletic competition is, well, competition. That is, there are winners and losers. Almost regardless of the sport, there is ultimately only one overall winner. Everyone else is, by definition, a loser. How is anyone in competitive sports entitled to any “sense of belonging” if that’s the case? The bulk of athletic competition is a series of rejections. Not much “belonging” in that.
3) I get it, though, that where there are teams, or similar group identities (e. g., recognition as a “professional tennis player,” or “qualified to be a member of the L/PGA,” there can be some “sense of belonging.” Being accepted as “a member of the team,” is something that can be described as a “sense of belonging.” To the extent that any “sense of belonging” exists in competitive sports, why is it that a man’s desire to be “accepted” as the sex he manifestly is not, such that he is accorded a “sense of belonging” to a group that he actually does not “belong to” — i.e., affirming a lie — matter so much more than a woman athlete’s “sense of belonging”? Women are told, “no, you don’t belong here,” — in WOMEN’S SPORTS! –if there happens to be some man who wants her spot. How much more profoundly “powerful” is it for the man to be fawned over, and accorded a “sense of belonging,” where he actually DOESN’T belong, than for any woman athlete? The women are told, basically, “clear off, you don’t belong here, in your own sport”? Why is that? How much more insulting can you get?
Okay, but we divide sports based on sex, not gender. The point of mens/womens divisions is to give a fair playing field for women despite men having sex-based advantages. It’s not to make the laydeez feel like they belong because they’re hanging out with other laydeez.
They’re sex divisions, not gender divisions.
I call BS. Why is creating separate divisions* for transgender athletes not a proper solution?
One advantage to creating a separate division for trans women athletes is that there would be no need for artificial T suppression, as there would be no need to pretend that the trans woman was an actual woman.
Creating a division for trans women would not “deny them their truth.” “Their truth” consists solely of an internal, unexaminable feeling (or claim of a feeling) that they feel more comfortable with the social stereotypes of femininity than those of masculinity. Athletes do not compete by means of their feelings. They can continue to have “their truth” — their internal feelings — as much as they want. However, they can only compete using their physical, sexed, bodies. Anything beyond an interior feeling of affinity with femininity, or a wish to have been born the other sex, is not a “truth;” it is a lie. The claim, based solely on wishful thinking, to be the sex you’re not is a lie. It is absolutely inauthentic.
“Authenticity” cannot be based on lies. If they compete in the division for the sex that they are not, that’s the exact opposite of “competing as their authentic selves.” It’s competing as their lying, cheating, fraudulent selves.
What’s “antithetical” to a ” diversity and inclusion” policy, is a policy that deliberately excludes women athletes from their own, sex-based, division, in favor of the same-old, same-old men, who have already had, and continue to have, the lion’s share of athletic opportunities throughout history. USA Fencing’s statements are pathetic.
* Of course, there would probably have to be TWO transgender divisions, rather than only one. The trans women would typically be far bigger and stronger, and have more musculature (including fast-twitch muscles), than trans men. Trans men who had double mastectomies may have damaged their natural pectoral muscles. Some of the potential results of mastectomy are muscle atrophy and loss of upper body strength and function. Having only one “transgender” division would once again favor the men (trans women) over the women (trans men), just as sex differences favor men over women in general. Quelle surprise.
Just use the G-word mate, you know you want to.
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TiMs already qualify here, too. Like galaxies, each of them has, in his core, a massive, black hole.
Credo quia absurdum?