Seems you can blaspheme against every religion, insult the patriotism of every nation on earth, and call for the abolition of capitalism….but don’t you DARE say one word against gender ideology.
So a man who wins an Olympic gold medal in women’s boxing makes him the Queen? Someone should tell Camilla she’s been dethroned. King Charles too, I’m sure they’ll make a great couple.
I don’t even understand what Zarah Sultana is trying to say. Is there a double entendre in there somewhere? I.e., isn’t “sultana” the equivalent of “queen” in its language of origin? I don’t get it.
#6 – It’s a line from the TV program ‘The Wire’. One of the characters is the target of a failed assassination attempt, then strikes back against the gang which attacked him. His comment to one of them is “If you come against the king, you’d better not miss.” In other words, ‘you should’ve made certain to kill me when you had the chance.’ I’ve seen it used like this a few times, effectively just saying ‘I was and remain the best, despite your efforts.’
I’m less clear on what the point that Sultana thinks has been proven here is. Given that the criticism of Kelif is that as a male athlete competing against females he has an unfair advantage, the fact that he’s won the competition doesn’t do anything to undermine that argument.
Of course, had Kelif been beaten, even if he’d taken the silver medal, people would be saying that it just shows that his inclusion in the contest ws perfectly fair, as ultimately there was a woman who was able to beat him. Now that he’s actually won, instead he can be held up as an inspiration and an example of what women can achieve, again validating his place in the tournament. There’s no outcome which would have led his defenders to agree that it was a mistake to allow him to compete. If he’d killed one of his opponents people would be lining up historical examples of fatalities in same sex boxing matches to argue that this was no different.
That said, I do feel more sympathy with Kelif or Caster Semenya than I do with Liah Thomas, Rachel McKinnon or similar people. None of them should be in female sporting contests, but Kelif had every reason to believe he was female until a couple of years ago. He’d dedicated himself to boxing and spent years honing his skills and was starting to have real success at it, then at some point someone took a saliva sample and told him he was a man. That would absolutely shake your fundamental conception of who you were, and I’m not sure you’d ever really accept the result; Is there any test you could take that would convince you that you were actually the other sex? I’m fairly sure that Kelif thinks of himself as a woman, and in his case I think that’s an understandable belief. It just happens to be an incorrect one. McKinnon and Thomas, in contrast, must know at some level not too far beneath the surface that they are cheating.
We should start a “Transmaiden /Transervant of the Month” Award. Sultana would be a shoo-in.
Richard Dawkins says he’s been banned from Facebook because of his comments about Imane Khalif being genetically male.
https://x.com/RichardDawkins/status/1822166372819853352
Seems you can blaspheme against every religion, insult the patriotism of every nation on earth, and call for the abolition of capitalism….but don’t you DARE say one word against gender ideology.
Wow @2. Postmodern subjectivism has spread like cancer. Yet ironically, if there is no Truth, then what could they possibly be afraid of?
So a man who wins an Olympic gold medal in women’s boxing makes him the Queen? Someone should tell Camilla she’s been dethroned. King Charles too, I’m sure they’ll make a great couple.
Jerry Coyne now has posted about the deletion of Dawkins’ Facebook account.
https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2024/08/10/dawkins-loses-entire-facebook-account-for-posting-about-putative-men-boxing-women-in-the-olympics/
People are saying Dawkins was either banned by the FB mods or his account was hacked into.
I don’t even understand what Zarah Sultana is trying to say. Is there a double entendre in there somewhere? I.e., isn’t “sultana” the equivalent of “queen” in its language of origin? I don’t get it.
#6 – It’s a line from the TV program ‘The Wire’. One of the characters is the target of a failed assassination attempt, then strikes back against the gang which attacked him. His comment to one of them is “If you come against the king, you’d better not miss.” In other words, ‘you should’ve made certain to kill me when you had the chance.’ I’ve seen it used like this a few times, effectively just saying ‘I was and remain the best, despite your efforts.’
I’m less clear on what the point that Sultana thinks has been proven here is. Given that the criticism of Kelif is that as a male athlete competing against females he has an unfair advantage, the fact that he’s won the competition doesn’t do anything to undermine that argument.
Of course, had Kelif been beaten, even if he’d taken the silver medal, people would be saying that it just shows that his inclusion in the contest ws perfectly fair, as ultimately there was a woman who was able to beat him. Now that he’s actually won, instead he can be held up as an inspiration and an example of what women can achieve, again validating his place in the tournament. There’s no outcome which would have led his defenders to agree that it was a mistake to allow him to compete. If he’d killed one of his opponents people would be lining up historical examples of fatalities in same sex boxing matches to argue that this was no different.
That said, I do feel more sympathy with Kelif or Caster Semenya than I do with Liah Thomas, Rachel McKinnon or similar people. None of them should be in female sporting contests, but Kelif had every reason to believe he was female until a couple of years ago. He’d dedicated himself to boxing and spent years honing his skills and was starting to have real success at it, then at some point someone took a saliva sample and told him he was a man. That would absolutely shake your fundamental conception of who you were, and I’m not sure you’d ever really accept the result; Is there any test you could take that would convince you that you were actually the other sex? I’m fairly sure that Kelif thinks of himself as a woman, and in his case I think that’s an understandable belief. It just happens to be an incorrect one. McKinnon and Thomas, in contrast, must know at some level not too far beneath the surface that they are cheating.