Well yes
Sturgeon really does give the whole game away here.
Journalist: Are all trans women women?
Sturgeon: That’s not the point we’re dealing with here, trans women are women but in the present context, there is no automatic right for a trans woman –
[Journalist cuts her off, which he shouldn’t have; we needed the rest of that sentence.] There are contexts where a trans woman is not –
Sturgeon: No there is [frustrated half-laugh] circumstances where a trans woman will be held in the male prison estate.
There. She gave the whole thing away. That’s what all the sane people have been telling her all this time. Yes, exactly, there are circumstances where trans women can’t be in the female estate. Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT WOMEN. Duh. That’s what we said.
Then he asks her if there are situations in which women born women will be housed in the male estate. She doesn’t think there are circumstances [inaudible] – he says “Different for trans women.” She replies, with exasperation, “Well yes.”
Well yes. Well yes.
But when we say it it’s a crime.
But now she’s said it.
She gave it all away, just like that.
“Well yes” should be the new TERF slogan!
I recently got into it with a couple of woke-bro friends. It was explained to me that some people just really feel the need to live their lives according to gender stereotypes. And that we must be kind. I tried to get them to explain why convicted rapists with penises were women and to define their terms and was at one point told to ‘fuck off.’ I kept trying to stress the importance of the idea of “gendered souls” was true or not given the enormity of pain that can come from regret over irreversible changes.
I would not like to be one of the people in charge of her Twitter account this morning. The howls of outrage coming from TERF island can probably be heard in Australia.
Sturgeon was backed into a corner by a clever and persistent journalist and had to admit the truth. That’s it, though, isn’t it? Reality always wins, even in the most stubborn of minds.
By the way, nice as it would have been to hear the end of that sentence, I could tell from her tone that she was just going to repeat obfuscatory platitudes, and he was pushed for time. I’m glad that he didn’t let her drone on, and made her state facts.
The word you think is garbled isn’t ‘certain […]’, it’s ‘circumstances’.
This reminds me a bit of the waffling anti-abortionists do when they’re put on the spot and asked to explain why there is or isn’t a rape clause in the latest abortion ban they’ve pushed through. The purists say that all life is sacred and the circumstances of someones conception doesn’t change their right to life. This is the most (or only?) logically consistent position to take, but it’s also pretty unpopular. The more popular alternative, ban abortion but include a few exceptions, such as for pregancies caused by rape, is less logically consistent with the movements values and provides an angle for opponents of abortion bans to undermine the whole movement. That’s the position the SNP and other groups that support the idea that TWAW have put themselves in. It’s nice that they’re now having to squirm a bit but it’s not like the anti abortion movement has collapsed because of it’s unpopularity/inconsistency yet, and it’s been going for decades…
I’ve done a transcript to help out those who have difficulty with Scottish accents:
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*J is asking “So what’s different for transwomen?” (whit = Scottish pronunciation of ‘what’) but NS apparently hears “So it’s different for transwomen?” and answers “Well YES“.
tigger @ 4 – so it is! Thank you. I updated the post accordingly.
Thank you, tigger!!
A well-annotated transcript is worth 1000 video clips on Twitter.
Maybe I exaggerated, but your transcript was very helpful.
Lots of celeb type people are getting into Twitter trouble over this. It’s great. Even Benjamin (gasp) Butterworth has been outed as a TERF!
They can’t say rapists should be in women’s prisons but if they say they shouldn’t be, they’re saying TWAM…. oh dear. So we get the same sort of blather as Sturgeons and they’re all being called traitors. It’s highly entertaining.
Glad to be of help, Dave! I really enjoy doing that kind of thing, so if there’s any video you’re having trouble with, please ask.