Oh no not restrictions!
What a Maroon pointed out the Washington Post’s not at all manipulative poll on attitudes to the holy sacred anointed extremely special set of people known as “trans.”
Headline:
Most Americans support anti-trans policies favored by GOP, poll shows
But of course the policies aren’t “anti-trans.”
Clear majorities of Americans support restrictions affecting transgender children, a Washington Post-KFF poll finds, offering political jet fuel for Republicans in statehouses and Congress who are pushing measures restricting curriculum, sports participation and medical care.
But “restrictions” can mean a lot of different things. Restrictions on unhealthy additives in food are a good thing. Restrictions on lead-based paint are a good thing. Restrictions on a rush to trans a child are also a good thing. As for sports participation, the only restriction is keeping boys out of girls’ sports, which is as it has been all along only fair.
Most Americans don’t believe it’s even possible to be a gender that differs from that assigned at birth. A 57 percent majority of adults said a person’s gender is determined from the start, with 43 percent saying it can differ.
Are we talking gender here, or sex? It’s sex that is determined in utero, while gender can mean just the social rules and nudges that sex gets landed with.
And some Americans have become more conservative on these questions as Republicans have seized the issue and worked to promote new restrictions.
Who says the rejection of gender magic is “more conservative” though? I think the conservative view is the one that says “that boy giggles and wears skirts so he is a girl.”
The Post-KFF poll was conducted in November and December, before state lawmakers introduced more than 400 anti-trans bills this year, up from about 150 bills in 2022 according to a Post analysis of ACLU data.
Oh lord. You don’t want to go to the ACLU for your information on this subject. They’re fully captured, and stark raving mad.
More than 6 in 10 adults in the Post-KFF poll said trans girls and women should not be allowed to compete in girls’ and women’s sports, including professional, college, high school and youth levels.
That’s depressing. Should be 10 in 10 adults. Boys and men have no business in girls’ and women’s sports.
It’s probably only “more than 6 in 10” due in no small part to the confusing language. “Trans girl” sounds like “girl who is trans”; female. Then of course, there’s the “pronouns are rohypnol’ effect, where “girl” conditions us to think in a specific way. In short, using Genderist language isn’t a neutral matter of politeness. It actually cedes ground and makes further losses more likely.
Exactly so.
I note that ~ 30%* of trans adults in the survey did not think trans girls/women should compete in girls/women’s sports. So it’s hardly a consensus position even among that community.
*They asked multiple questions for different levels of sports competitions, though the results did not vary materially either for trans respondents or the general survey
I could be wrong, but I bet that the WaPo has never referred to anti-abortion laws as “anti-woman” in the headline of a non-opinion piece. That would be editorializing!
All the results except “do you know anyone who is trans?” are given as trans-only (515 people) or total people (1,338, which includes the 515 trans people and 823 non-trans people).
So surely they weighted these accordingly and didn’t give the trans group anything close to 38% weighting, right? Yet I don’t see clear statement to that effect. It says the trans population is weighted to match the known demographics of the national trans population and the combined population is weighted to match the demographics of the overall national population, using parameters that “included sex, age, education, race/ethnicity, and education” (yes, they list education twice). It does not list trans status.
So are we to infer that it goes without saying that the trans component was weighted to less than 1% to match the national population? If so, it kind of seems ridiculous to say n=1,338 when 515 of that 1,338 are being reduced to the equivalent of 13 people (at most).
Or did they just combine everyone into one very misleading group? Most of the results are very different for the combined and trans groups, but would there be an even bigger divide if they hadn’t improperly combined the groups?
Skeletor, how unreasonable it is of you to expect the poll be properly conducted and analyzed? How dare you? You must be some elite snobbish sort who understands statistics, or something…
Yeah. i hate when polls do these things and don’t tell you how they did them, or tell you how they did them in such a way that only those of us who had multivariate statistics could see the problems.
Every time I read “gender affirming care” I wonder what they’re talking about. What is this “gender” that you speak of? Is it a secret, magic ingredient that makes us “male” or “female” regardless of our sexed bodies? (Assuming the writer of the words “gender affirming care” admits to the reality of sex in the first place.)
How does this “gender” manifest itself? Is it a display of stereotypical characteristics of masculinity or femininity? Which means that people with penises who like the colour pink and interior decorating are “female” to some degree, whereas people with vaginas who like to fix car engines and drink whiskey are at least partially “male”?
Or is it just a “sense” that one is in the wrong body? A “sense” that (especially with a child) could be nothing but confusion or delusion but what the hell, chop ’em up anyway and hope for the best.
Gawd, it’s all so stupid.
I apologize and will have myself immediately canceled.
Screechy Monkey #3
“~ 30%* of trans adults in the survey did not think trans girls/women should compete in girls/women’s sports.”
FWIW the one TiM I know is at least doubtful about the rightness of transwomen competing in women’s sports.
And “Caitlyn” Jenner has gone on record as not believing transwomen should play in women’s sports.