Kind compassionate generous to whom?
A Lively Exchange of Views.
At 9 minutes in Tatchell tells us “it’s not compatible with a kind compassionate generous society”…to say that men are not women.
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A Lively Exchange of Views.
At 9 minutes in Tatchell tells us “it’s not compatible with a kind compassionate generous society”…to say that men are not women.
Interesting exchange. One thing struck me in particular, and that was Tatchell’s inability to say ‘women’. He says ‘woman’ throughout, when he should use the plural. I have to wonder why. Speech impediment? Or psychological? Is he terrified that there might be more than one woman in the world, or does he think of all of us as just one woman-blob?
Anyway, he’s still repeating what is, to the cult, the ‘heresy’ about men who claim to be women being different to women. I wonder how much backlash there’ll be to this discussion by four ‘transphobes’?
“ Tatchell tells us “it’s not compatible with a kind compassionate generous society”…to say that men are not women.”
I hope I haven’t failed in my efforts at logic here, but if the above is true, does it not then follow that it is not compatible with a kind compassionate generous society to say that the female sex exists as a definable category that does not contain any of the male sex, regardless of how he identifies?
Is the very existence of women outside of men that wish to be women unkind, lacking compassion and stingy?
Is it kind or compassionate to denigrate or be openly and proudly skeptical of religion? If a friend becomes a Scientologist is it kind or compassionate to tell them they’ve joined a cult? At the end of the day I don’t think it’s kind or compassionate to lie to people in most circumstances, perhaps if the world was five minutes away from being obliterated by an asteroid I’d just let it all go and indulge peoples weird beliefs as long as they weren’t harming others but if I assume that the world is going to be here for awhile then just affirming each others delusions isn’t the road I want to promote taking. I guess that makes me unkind.
This all takes me back to the atheo-skeptic world of the noughties where there were always “be kind” liberals willing to scold people like Dawkins and Hitchens for being unkind to religious believers by being open with their unbelief. It seems like over the course of 20 years or so the “bekinders” have moved on from Christianity, which is now fair game, to supporting Islam and Transgenderism. They’re the new sacred cows of a liberalism that is anything but.
This is the problem with the whole ‘be kind’ meme. Being kind often isn’t, it’s being condescending. Should people have been ‘kind’ when I was anorexic and losing well more than 10 pounds a week many weeks? Absolutely not; the idea of ‘be kind’ typically means don’t tell the truth, don’t help anyone through their delusions, no matter how harmful they may be. Cutting off healthy breasts or a healthy penis is harmful, especially when it will entail lifelong medical interventions.
On the other hand, being rudely obnoxious isn’t’ the answer either, though I see nothing wrong with being rudely obnoxious here in some of the sarcastic comments. When faced with someone who actually believes they are the opposite sex, it may not be appropriate to use the same kind of snarky language we use here – unless that someone is the likes of Veronica Ivy, Barbie Kardashin, Katie Montgomery…and so on…. There are ways to approach the entire issue of delusional thinking without being rudely obnoxious, and I imagine most of us here would not just walk up to someone and rudely announce “You mother f—er, you are not a woman”. Unless, of course, it was one of the above mentioned…
To be kind is to patronize, to condescend, to humor. It is to treat the other individual like a child. One can demonstrate sympathy without buying into delusional thinking. One can point out that delusional thinking is delusional without being an asshole.
The problem is, that last statement is not accepted by trans activists. The very mention of AGP or ROGD or that trans women are not really women is to be seen as a rudely obnoxious asshole. Telling the truth will rarely seem kind to the person who is on the receiving end of the truth.
And telling the truth will be dangerous to the person who is trying to hide the truth. If those busy burying the truth are powerful enough, they can in turn become a danger to that truth-teller (thinking of the Joyce quote: “It’s not that people disagree with me, it’s that they’re frightened of the activists.”)