Originally a comment by Rob on Fundamentally unjust.

I listened to an interview yesterday with Jenny Nguyen. She’s a chef who has opened a bar in Portland called the Sports Bra, that plays only women’s sport on the screens and is billed as inclusive. Jenny is a lesbian and played basketball as a youth. She says the bar is not a lesbian bar, but it is designed for lesbians, but anyone can come.

During the interview she was asked about trans women in women’s sport. She replied that it was her, and the bar’s, position that TWAW. When pressed about the advantage that TW retain, she said she didn’t know anything about that, but given what TW and ‘others in that space’ tell her about the difficulty in being trans, she was sure that any claimed benefits would be negated by those other difficulties. Frankly I wanted to scream at the willful ignorance and obvious grovelling deference to trans. Also, the way she referred to terfs you could feel the disgust and contempt, so clearly gender critical women, even if lesbian, are not welcome in her inclusive space.

It is though possibly symptomatic of the position of many non-trans supporters of that movement. They so desperately want to be kind and include these poor downtrodden most victimised people, that they blind themselves to any contrary information, refuse to process the arguments against the claims, ‘other’ those who are gender critical (all while imagining that they are committing genocide). People like that are unlikely to be peaked anytime soon. It was unsaid, but I think pretty obvious that in the cause of supporting trans women, if that means a few girls and women have to be thrown under the bus, well, that’s the price to pay for a good cause.