Tuffer noo roolz
How about no?
Just no. Not “oh dear what shall we do,” not “maybe we need to tweak this a little,” not “we’re in the middle,” just no. No. You can’t. Of course not. Go away.
Not “tougher new rules,” either. Just no.
The president of cycling’s governing body has held emergency talks with other international sports federations about creating tougher new rules for the participation of trans women in elite women’s sport “within months”.
“Rules” for letting men participate in elite women’s sport, thus ruining it. Forget rules; just No.
In a notable intervention, the UCI president, David Lappartient, said cycling’s current rules, which allow trans women to compete against cis women if they reduce their testosterone to below 5 nmol/L for a period of 12 months, were “probably not enough” to ensure fair competition.
Of course they’re not, plus it’s women’s sport, so it’s not for men.
“When you ask this question, it is not to challenge the fact that people want to transition. We fully respect that.”
Why? Why fully respect it? It’s not as if it’s an accomplishment.
“But I can also really understand from ladies [who] say: ‘OK, we don’t accept this.’ At the moment, the union of women’s riders are completely against this and challenging the UCI. So we are in between.”
I see. All the women are completely against it, therefore you’re in between. Who cares about women eh?
Lappartient said: “I had some discussions this week with the Olympians associations, with some international federations. In cycling, in swimming, in athletics, the question of fair competition is really a question we must put on the table. Is it a right to take part when you do the transition at the highest level or do we have to see if this will affect the fairness of competition?”
It’s not a right for men to force themselves into women’s sport at all, no matter what the level.
The cycling organisation is either against something that has been identified as cheating, or they are for it. I wonder if they have this level of evasiveness for other cheat methods…
“…it is not to challenge the fact that people want to [dope]. We fully respect that.
But I can also really understand from [competitors] [who] say: ‘OK, we don’t accept this.’ At the moment, the union of [riders] are completely against this and challenging the UCI. So we are in between.”
I don’t see it. They are justifiably firm on all cheating, including being male in a female division, but their refusal to identify trans women as male means they are not actually against this cheat method. The women’s division either forbids all males, or it is not a female division.
Agree @1 The future of women’s sports is being decided by transsexuals. To be, or not to be. Funny thing is, if the transsexuals win, they lose; no more women’s sports.
Yes precisely. The oh-so-detached and lofty pondering on about whether some “memory” of the “previous body” has some sort of impact on fairness is just threadbare window dressing on the fact that they can’t or won’t say that trans identified males are male. Higher lung capacity, muscle mass and heart performance (among other advantages) are a bit more substantial than a memory. What do TAs have on them? Racy photos with Jamie Wallis? Why are they so afraid? What can TAs actually do to the cycling regulatory body? Call them names? Sticks and stones, mate, sticks and stones. Besides, you’re safe; they reserve all their vilest responses for women.
If what is currently called “women’s sports” becomes all TiM, all the time, it will no longer provide the validation they’re looking for. At that point, TiMs will have to seek out whatever sporting organizations women have created for themselves and go and invade them for continued dopamine hits.
And it isn’t a “previous” body. It’s the same body. They don’t transmogrify into a new body, they don’t drift aimlessly until they find a body that suits them. Even with testicles and penis, it is the same body…the SAME.
And it isn’t a “memory”. It’s the muscle mass built during puberty. It’s the longer legs. It’s the narrower hips. It’s a lot of things that give male bodies an advantage over female ones.
And I wish to hell people would quit thinking it’s all about testosterone. That is important when you are building that muscle mass and other male characteristics. The science on testosterone is wobbly, but one thing I thin should be clear…no matter how much you reduce your testosterone, you still possess a body that went through male puberty and is a male body.
Exactly what I was thinking, re-reading the post just now – it’s the frame ffs, the whole thing, the wider shoulders, the bigger torso, the shape of the pelvis, the straighter femurs – the whole thing.
Women have some advantages of their own, but sports that are about strength and size as well as skill have to be separated by sex.
I’ve seen a number of tweets quoted in threads sneeringly claiming that recounting these kinds of facts is equivalent to the claim “You’re saying that women are WEAK!!!” There’s only so much willful misconstruction one can take before being forced to drop a belief in the good faith of one’s opponent. That point was passed a long time ago.
Well, they are, on average the weaker sex and there’s not a lot of overlap. I doubt I’d trounce many women athletes in anything other than grappling, but then I’m not an athlete.
BKiSA, I doubt I would trounce women athletes in anything, unless it was playwriting. I’m not sure I could trounce the average toddler these days.
Iknklast, have you tried identifying as a man? I think you become stronger instantly when you do that.
A video of a trans-identified male speaking in favor of a bill to protect women’s sports, using himself as an example of how male puberty affects development. Very well spoken, and very angry about the whole thing. He castigates ACLU and other organizations that should be supporting the rights of women and girls. Some people with gender dysphoria really do appear to accept reality.