Guest post: Wait ’til you see Nature’s idea of draconian measures
Originally a comment by YNnB (yes, again) on Elon Musk does not have imposter syndrome.
Then there’s working on shit to make it livable… solving that problem would also be useful making Terra more habitable even as it undergoes massive ecological shifts.
Maybe I’m just a “glass half empty” kinda guy, but I’m not so sure that it would work this way. Those “massive ecological shifts” are our fault. We already know that much of what we’re doing to the Earth shouldn’t be done, yet we do it anyway. A Mars colony will be a distant, isolated luxury bubble where everyone knows they have to be careful lest they do something stupid that kills everyone. We’re already living in a planet-sized bubble subject to the same rules, it’s just taken a few millenia for our numbers and mistakes to catch up with us. It’s taken more of them, but their effects will turn out to be equally lethal. There’s nothing a Mars colony will teach us that we don’t already know. We already know we shouldn’t dump toxic wastes into the air, water and soil we rely on to breathe, drink, and grow food. The world has become smaller, and it’s all interconnected. We’ve learned too late that “over there” is “right here,” and that you can’y throw anything “away.” We already know that the Earth’s ability to absorb these wastes is limited. We are running into the limits of the bubble in which we already live, and upon which we are utterly, inescapably dependent. If we can’t make things work here, colonies elsewhere (which will themselves remain dependent upon Earth) are pointless, as we will be taking our mistakes with us.
It took just under twenty years for the lessons of the Apollo One fire to be forgotten. The Challenger disaster did not prevent the pressures and complacency that resulted in the destruction of Columbia seventeen years after that. (And that’s just the American space experience; the Russian track record has its fair share of incompetance and heedless, expedient risk-taking.) Any Mars colony will have its own version of shoddy construction, O-rings and foam-shedding. We as a species have already blown through any number of the equivalents of faulty wiring, O-rings and tile damage. We are seeing the very real possibility of a planetary scale loss of mission, loss of vehicle, loss of crew, yet we push on with what NASA’s repeated inquiries called “go fever.”
The best thing we could be doing is reducing our ecological footprint, reducing the pressure that humans are putting on the rest of the living and non-living environment. Even without anthropogenic climate change, human overshoot is an ongoing crisis. Our sheer numbers limit our ability to do this; having eight billion humans places a certain minimum level on the level of activity which must take place to keep all of them alive and healthy, but we’re not even doing a very good job of that, thanks in part to extreme, grotesque inequalities of wealth distribution (Hello Mr. Musk. Fancy meeting you here!). Decreasing the human population is key to the drawdown of human demands upon the planet. It will happen, one way or another. If you think human dictatorships are bad, wait ’til you see Nature’s idea of draconian measures. We can try to manage our numbers ourselves, or they will be managed for us. If we do not step back, we will be stepped on.
The continued pursuit of a suicidally unsustainable way of life will result in disaster for ourselves and many other living creatures. That we allow ourselves to be led along such a path by those who can make a quick buck off of it while the ride lasts seems to be a lethal flaw in our make-up. That all of us have heard of and have been forced to pay any attention at all to the likes of Elon Musk (or Donald Trump!) and anything he thinks or does is a symptom of this. That his wealth gives him such power and influence is a sign of our weakness and immaturity as a society and a species. This mind-set cannot be fixed by throwing engineering at it. Our technological development has outstripped our ability inclination to use it wisely.
In the next few decades, we’ll likely be facing massive disruptions of weather patterns and climatic zones, with cascading follow-on effects on agriculture, and whatever surviving natural biomes that might yet be hanging on. Add rising sea levels and island/coastal inundation, and you have the foundation for the collapse and disappearance of nations (some of which are armed with nuclear weapons) and the mass movement (and death) of hundreds of millions of people. Even if we avoid actual armed conflict, the damage, destruction and displacement will make the two World Wars combined look like the proverbial Sunday school picnic. Unless its life support systems were wildly chaotic, and its inhabitants unpredictably violent, I’m not sure that there are many lessons we could learn from a Mars outpost that would be applicable to living on Earth That’s Almost Here.
This documentary
https://www.livinginthetimeofdying.com/ 53:51 Living in the Time of Dying, ecosystem breakdown, 6th mass extinction
is a follow up consistent with Ophelia’a post on Sept. 9, “The amount that’s already occurred” and the post above. The documentary is hopeful that “We can extend the glide.” (@33 min)
Well, look on the bright side I always say. At least we have an atmosphere that is gravitationally trapped, unlike a space station or a Mars bubble, where a tiny high speed interpanetary sand grain can puncture the said bubble and flatten it like the proverbial pancake. Also the Earth, Gaia, call her what you will, has been around a long time. I suspect that global warming will lift more ocean water into the atmosphere sufficient to block out enough of the incoming solar radiation for the planet to self-correct. Stormy weather up ahead.
Australia was until the 1950s overrun with European rabbits. Then government scientists introduced the virus disease myxomatosis, or ‘myxo’, which wiped them out by the millions. Now rabbits are myxo-resistant, but every time they make a bit of a gain in population a new myxo variant appears and goes through them like the proverbial packet of Epsom salts.
I suspect that Covid was just a try-on. The next cab off the virus rank could be a re-run of the Black Death, (1346-1353) which altered the course of human history quite a bit, and arguably set in motion the train of events which ended feudalism progressively all over the world and ushered in what became in due course modernity.
“Bring out yer dead.!”
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death
Increased cloud cover will indeed increase the planet’s albedo, hence reducing the incoming energy somewhat. But on the other hand, water vapour is a greenhouse gas. It’s hard to know which of these effects will gain the upper hand. It is, or has been, intensely studied, but I don’t know what the current state of knowledge is on this topic.
“Life’s a piece of shit, if you think of it.”
@Harald #3
Indeed, that was the issue at debate in the 1970’s as climate scientists reviewed data that showed that due to polluting aerosols, the climate would cool. The debate was which force would prove stronger, warming or cooling. Both issues indicated that the planet was fucked if we didn’t mend our ways.
We’ve instituted measures to reduce the particulate pollution, and I can see it when I compare the haze from my youth over downtown Minneapolis to the clear air now. And since particulates had such a visible presence, that was noticeable in our lungs and in our burning eyes, it was easier to get action. Global warming is easier to deny, because it has weirder effects, including local cooling when the polar vortex is steered southwards.
Water vapor doesn’t remain in the atmosphere very long – about 6-9 days. Greenhouse gases can last for centuries. They continue to build up. Water vapor only has a few days build up; a century of build up of greenhouse gases can quickly overwhelm the cooling aspect of water vapor.
Same with particulate pollution, which also has the downside of not being effective in the areas where pollution is minimal.
“global warming will lift more ocean water into the atmosphere sufficient to block out enough of the incoming solar radiation for the planet to self-correct” #2
“Increased cloud cover will indeed increase the planet’s albedo, hence reducing the incoming energy somewhat. But on the other hand, water vapour is a greenhouse gas.” #3
“Water vapor only has a few days build up; a century of build up of greenhouse gases can quickly overwhelm the cooling aspect of water vapor.” #5
So, we all see the challenges in trying to model the Sun-Earth system in the plots of temperature over time depending on tweaks of parameters, different approaches for clouds, winds and mountains … “The results of the computer modeling are like fuzzy maps, pointing out routes that could help the world avoid disaster.” (https://www.npr.org/2021/08/14/1027370891/climate-change-solutions-global-warming-computer-models-paris) The more a model depends on ‘adjustable parameters’ the less predictive it is.
Exactly. As I keep saying, pretty much the only thing I’m optimistic about at this point, is that the rest of the universe will be safe from human stupidity and evil. These kinds of problems have a way of being self-correcting…
Which is why “business as usual” was never an option in the long run. We
havehad a choice between making the necessary changes ourselves and hoping to maintain a minimum of control of our own fates, or letting nature do it for us and be reduced to helpless spectators as the whole house of cardscomescame crashing down over our heads.This is definitely not going to help me win a popularity contest, but the one thing that seem to spark most outrage against gender ideology, even from people who couldn’t care less about women’s safety or dignity, is “they’re sterilizing children!”. This has never been one of my main objections. In fact, I can’t even call myself “pro choice” on the abortion issue at this point. I’m more like anti-birth. It’s a terrible cliche, but one I think it true: If the word “love” means anything at all, then “loving” someone has to mean wanting what’s best for them whether it coincides with your own selfish desires or not. Even I know that, and I’m not even in the loving business. Well, what is best for every child at this point* is to not be born into this world in the first place. Every person who still chooses to reproduce is deliberately sending their children to Hell. If that’s “love”, then to hell with “love”.
*Personally I’m inclined to think this was always the case.