What genocide is and is not
More from the pyramid:
What is this imagined community that gender-skeptics defend?
Women, for one. Are women “imagined”? No. Women are real. I don’t refer to us as a “community” because I think that word is much overused and also manipulative (so in that sense I kind of understand the “imagined community” thing), but that doesn’t mean the word “women” doesn’t name a real category of people. Do we defend women? Sure. For more see: feminism, passim.
This is the usual warping of the word “existence” – pretending that skepticism about a label=genocide. Hitler didn’t wipe out 6 million Jews by calling them something else, he wiped them out by murdering them. There’s a difference.
It can of course be a form of persecution or oppression to force people to describe themselves the way you choose rather than the way they choose – but that cuts in all directions. Feminists who don’t buy into trans dogma don’t agree that men can be women, but we also don’t agree that we are “cis” women. Feminists see men as men, but trans activists see women as “cis” women, so who is really forcing which to accept a new description for themselves?
To sum up, no, calling men men is not genocide, because of the absence of the “cide” part.
If the whole fad fell apart tomorrow, what would the result be? People would stop calling themselves the other sex. That’s all. That’s not genocide.
“I have not made a value judgement. I’ve laid out the facts as they stand.”
This lie stands out as the most laughably transparent, in a thread full of lies.
It’s an utterly laughable comparison. The Nazis didn’t deny the existence of Jewish people, they were very firm in their belief that Jews existed! Genocide doesn’t begin with a questioning the existence or identity of a particular group, quite the reverse in fact. Genocidal movements fixate on the identity of a particular group, and assign certain negative traits to that group.
Well yes, I would advocate that. I think that people without cervixes shouldn’t be allowed to get pap smears. I mean, obviously they can’t, but I think that doctors shouldn’t waste their time pretending to give them pap smears, and certainly insurance shouldn’t pay for such pretend non-procedures.
I guess that’s genocide.
#2 – Spencer being a modern-day Nazi, people are in consensus that punching him is okay. Now, equating him with TERFs, using the transitive property of mathematics, means that it’s okay to punch TERFs.
Because, they’re hateful and deserve it.
Nazi = punchable
TERF = Nazi
TERF = Punchable.
I’m not sure why I picked this bit out of this bizarre mess, other than it being embedded in an argument that there’s an invisible conspiracy against people advocating throwing out biology in favor of Other Ways of Knowing.
@GW,
Suppose we agree that he can’t have a pap smear, not having a cervix, which is nobody’s fault, not even the Romans, but he can have the right to have a pap smear.
(There’s a Python for everything.)
Exactly, it’s roughly analogous to arguing that:
Denying the existence of God
≈ denying that there’s such a thing as “God’s chosen people”
≈ denying the existence of that which the Jews are
≈ denying the existence of Jews
≈ envisioning a world in which Jews don’t exist
≈ advocating genocide.
Therefore atheism is just the Holocaust
I have never heard a single Jew make such an argument. If your kind has been murdered by the millions, you don’t have to resort to this kind of language-games and stretching of word meanings beyond the breaking point to explain what the problem is. Zyklon B doesn’t give a crap about your pronouns or how you “identify”. As I have written many times, my peak trans moment came from seeing this kind of genocidal attitudes attributed to gender critical feminists while knowing what the latter had actually said. That’s when I thought “I get it now. When TRAs are talking about feminists promoting ‘hatred’, denying the ‘rights’ of, or even advocating ‘violence’ against trans people, this is what they’re talking about: Women saying that biological sex is real, that biological females are an identifiable group with its own specific issues that are not entirely reducible to those faced by biological males who prefer feminine pronouns, and that we have to be able to address them as such.” That’s when I realized that this was a pseudo social rights movement.
That’s hilarious. Jackanory’s whole thread reaches dizzying heights of hyperbole previously only scaled with the assistance of oxygen, a support team and – for some reason – mules. I like the part where he more or less compares the women to evil commandos under Marion’s iron fist, on a desperate mission to… get a drink and some fish and chips and maybe leave a flier in the toilets.
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