Or have we so normalised hatred of women that this is simply BAU and Germaine Greer, Helen Reddy, Kate Shephard, Miles Franklin, and those millions of women around the world fought for naught?
Whichever it is, it is disgusting behaviour that must be sanctioned, if not by those in charge, then by those in the crowd who still have a belief in equality for women. I have been (justifiably) thrown out of basketball stadia for far less offensive comments.
The Mars coach should have taken his team off the ice, same as is now done for racial abuse. He has a duty to protect his team, and all of its members.
Armstrong should be forfeiting their entire season, and the program suspended.
If I’m remembering right, the bystander effect has been largely discredited. Which, of course, has ugly implications. And we have to keep pointing out that this is evidently perfectly acceptable behaviour for children whereas talking about biology is forbidden. Even by some biologists.
I find this kind of thing just heartbreaking. It reminds me of the women who have been persuaded that they can declare themselves to be men and expect gay men to have sex with them. It’s a kind of double victimisation, isn’t it? They were bullied into that position (and perhaps into surgery and/or hormone fuckery) in the first place, then it wasn’t at all what they were promised. It’s a bait and switch of the cruellest kind.
I’m not an expert, but if the Bystander Effect has been discredited, that is certainly news to me. Are you sure you’re not thinking of the original reports in the Kitty Genovese case (according to which up to 38 eye witnesses watched the brutal attack resulting in her death go on for more than 30 minutes without even calling the police)? As far as I know, the phrase “Bystander Effect” was at least in part inspired by that story which was later discredited (lots of witnesses did in fact call the police), but the Bystander Effect itself has been confirmed by many independent studies. Maybe the Replication Crisis has recently cast some these findings into doubt, but if so, as I said, that’s news to me.
You’re right, I should have been clearer: I mean that I understand that evidence for the bystander effect has been shown to be dodgy. That includes but is not limited to the Kitty Genovese case.
I could easily be wrong about that, but like I say, I understand that the evidence is weak or no stronger than competing hypotheses. I will try to remember where I read about this.
Is it the “bystander effect”?
Is it fear of becoming “involved”?
Or have we so normalised hatred of women that this is simply BAU and Germaine Greer, Helen Reddy, Kate Shephard, Miles Franklin, and those millions of women around the world fought for naught?
Whichever it is, it is disgusting behaviour that must be sanctioned, if not by those in charge, then by those in the crowd who still have a belief in equality for women. I have been (justifiably) thrown out of basketball stadia for far less offensive comments.
The Mars coach should have taken his team off the ice, same as is now done for racial abuse. He has a duty to protect his team, and all of its members.
Armstrong should be forfeiting their entire season, and the program suspended.
Roj,
If I’m remembering right, the bystander effect has been largely discredited. Which, of course, has ugly implications. And we have to keep pointing out that this is evidently perfectly acceptable behaviour for children whereas talking about biology is forbidden. Even by some biologists.
I find this kind of thing just heartbreaking. It reminds me of the women who have been persuaded that they can declare themselves to be men and expect gay men to have sex with them. It’s a kind of double victimisation, isn’t it? They were bullied into that position (and perhaps into surgery and/or hormone fuckery) in the first place, then it wasn’t at all what they were promised. It’s a bait and switch of the cruellest kind.
latsot
I’m not an expert, but if the Bystander Effect has been discredited, that is certainly news to me. Are you sure you’re not thinking of the original reports in the Kitty Genovese case (according to which up to 38 eye witnesses watched the brutal attack resulting in her death go on for more than 30 minutes without even calling the police)? As far as I know, the phrase “Bystander Effect” was at least in part inspired by that story which was later discredited (lots of witnesses did in fact call the police), but the Bystander Effect itself has been confirmed by many independent studies. Maybe the Replication Crisis has recently cast some these findings into doubt, but if so, as I said, that’s news to me.
You’re right, I should have been clearer: I mean that I understand that evidence for the bystander effect has been shown to be dodgy. That includes but is not limited to the Kitty Genovese case.
I could easily be wrong about that, but like I say, I understand that the evidence is weak or no stronger than competing hypotheses. I will try to remember where I read about this.
We all know if that goalie was a trans id boy on a girl’s hockey team, they’d be cheering him for his bravery.