Limited gender options
What on earth is this nonsense doing in Scientific American?
Nonbinary Scientists Want Funding Agencies to Change How they Collect Gender Data
The title might as well be Tooth Fairy Scientists Want Funding Agencies to Change How they Collect Fairy Data.
Every year, the National Science Foundation (NSF) and the National Center for Science and Engineering Statistics (NCSES) send a series of surveys to students and researchers around the country. The surveys are used to monitor changing demographics and track levels of financial support for scientific research, and filling them out is required for anyone who receives NSF funding. There are limited gender options in these surveys: male, female and, on some surveys, “do not wish to disclose.”
That’s because female and male are all there are. The issue is what sex people are, and there are only two. You don’t need extra “gender options” for tigers or whales or birds so why would you need them for humans? There are only two.
As scientists who exist outside the gender binary, many of us do wish to disclose our gender, but are unable to do so because these terms do not reflect our identities.
But you don’t “exist outside the gender binary.” You’re female or male; that’s it. You may think you’re special and interesting, but that’s a different subject, and of no interest or relevance for tracking demographics. People’s luxury “identities” are a social, cultural, political matter, but not a scientific one. Scientists of all people should know the difference.
Nonbinary scientists and other scientists outside the gender binary experience gender beyond the typical man-and-woman dichotomy, and often identify as transgender.
But the issue is what sex you are, and what you think you “experience” is beside the point. You are either female or male. How you experience that is of deep interest to you but not to anyone else.
Being unable to accurately report our gender precludes accurate data collection for these organizations, and further marginalizes nonbinary scientists.
No it doesn’t, because what they’re looking for is how many women and men there are. They’re not looking for “accurate data” on how silly faddists claim to “experience” their “gender.”
Nonbinary identities are increasingly common; most nonbinary people are under the age of 29, and members of Gen Z are more than twice as likely to identify as nonbinary, genderfluid or nonconforming than older generations.
And what does that tell you? That young people can be sadly credulous.
It is time for the NSF and the NCSES to update their policies and language to better quantify and support this growing transgender and gender diverse population.
If they want to quantify that for some reason they can add a new question, but what they obviously should not do is ruin their own statistics by changing the existing question into gobbledygook.
Didn’t Laurie Penny their very self say that NOBODY but NOBODY was trying to deny biological sex, and anyone who claimed to infer such was a horrible bigot and a gaslighting abuser?
This silly and increasingly common rigmarole is not helped by the fact that the surveys often ask for ‘gender’ rather than sex, the thing that is actually useful.
Check one:
__ Male.
__ Female.
__ Confused.
But horses! Horses need, what is it, 7? I forgot. I’ll have to ask PZ.
Seriously, this is so screwed up, and will mess up statistics for a long time if the funding organizations acquiesce, It is just another step in marginalizing women by making it look like there are more women getting funding than really are, thereby making it appear we are nearer equality than we really are.
I tremble to think my old age will rely on these kids running the world.
Holms #2
Asking about gender (or gender identity) is not useless though. To me such questions are a useful heads-up to not bother answering the survey, and in one particular instance they helped me decide to cancel my monthly donation to the charity sending out the survey and giving the money to a more worthy recipient.
@4:
Are you referring to something that PZ actually said once, or simply saying random bullshit?
GW @ #6
I don’t know the exact wording, because the incident happened after I stopped visiting the blog, but PZ apparently listed words like ‘mare’, ‘stallion’, ‘filly’, ‘colt’, ‘gelding’, ‘foal’ etc. as being equivalent to the fancy new gender names going around, conveniently ignoring the fact that each of the many names humans have invented for horses are all applied according to age and sex; no-one has ever claimed that a gelded stallion is now a mare.
I think the cattle ranchers around Morris were rather pissed off that PZ was not inclusive of steers, heifers, yearlings, calves, cows, bulls, and any other beefy noms.
What about otherkin who “identify” as a cow? Is that another “gender”?
I do loe the term “luxury genders” though. Because only privileged self-absorbed twits indulge.
Sex is not a spectrum, but intelligence obviously is, more and more it seems. :P
Someone should have pointed out to PZ that what he was actually talking about were categories such as “castrato” and “eunuch” and not in fact anything related to the gender goblins.
The main reference I could find was this one:
https://twitter.com/pzmyers/status/1209098935542767616?lang=en
There was this discussion on Pharyngula, with much hair-splitting, making fine distinctions between reproductive sex and whether individuals can be categorized as belonging to one of the two reproductive sexes.
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2020/10/05/old-drama-and-terfs-revisiting/
I’d kind of forgotten about that particular bit of nonsensical and embarrassing stupidity by a biology professor. Especially since even the 16 yo girl I’m sitting beside (who owns a horse and is pony obsessed) says in response male, female, female, female, male, male. She did have to ask what a freemartin was, but when told decided female.
I mean really PZ, chop your nuts off and you’re still male, you just can’t reproduce anymore.
@Sackbut – that FTB link reminded me of the tragic event.
I only read PZ’s blog and B&W back then, and could not understand the TERF rift. I just couldn’t see any transphobia (i.e. irrational fear) or any trans-hate. Just different opinions, well within the bounds of academic debate.
Granted, some right wing/religious people don’t believe trans-women are people, but TERF’s just don’t think TWAW.
I do get uncomfortable with racists “just having opinions” sometimes, so I can see how it’s complicated. However, sexists often have horrible opinions, and that’s just free speech, right?