Feels like the Nazis
Yes, sure, the Nazis, the actual Nazis, with the concentration camps, the persecution and slaughter of leftists, labor unions, the disabled, the old, the sick, the mentally ill, the Romani (“gypsies”), lesbians and gays, and of course nearly all the Jews in Europe.
India Willoughby is not going to be sent to a concentration camp, much less an extermination camp. Nothing is going to happen to India Willoughby at all, except that fewer people will accept his claim to be a woman. That’s all. It’s not lethal, it’s not torture, it’s not confinement, it’s not forced labor, it’s just knowing a man is a man.
Why are we told we should exhibit more “kindness” toward people who are so deluded about their own importance that they claim to be victims of Nazism because a Lesbian Gay charity doesn’t endorse their fantasies?
In what possible way is Stonewall being replaced by LGB Alliance? Mindspace? Is LGBA serving in an advisory capacity, providing programs, giving certifications?
What does SW mean in this context?
Over at Pharxngulx, Dx. Mxers posted his thoughts on the pub incident, and here are quotes from some of the responses:
“…the bigots have no legal control over this venue, they’re just coming in like a bunch of brown-shirts invading a synagogue.”
“UK neonazi allies LGB Alliance…”
“LGBA is a hate group…”
“…how comfortable TERFs are with ultra-conservative ideas…”
“There is an already-well-observed standard path leading from TERFiness to Neo-Nazi-dom.”
“…all people who are “Gender Critical” may not be Nazis, all Nazis were gender critical.”
“…TERF propaganda about trans women borrows heavily from Nazi rhetoric about Jews…”
I picked from the direct comparisons being made, but there’s other language along similar lines.
maddog1129:
SW = Stonewall.
I rest my case.
What abou us members of the Giraffe Alliance of Self-Identifiers; GASI for short..? It’s the same old story, everyone thinking of themselves; nobody thinking of me. I mean us. Nobody thinking of us.
WTF? It’s so obvious they are using gender critical in a VERY different way than GC feminists do. As I understand, the Nazis were big believers in standard gender roles, which is the OPPOSITE of being gender critical. In fact, it’s much closer to the shit promoted by the TAs.
Apparently for PZ, science now means making up whatever shit fits your narrative.
Exactly. Nazis were the OPPOSITE of gender critical.
What’s become of Pharyngula (as seen from the distance from one who never opens it) is a shame. It’s as bad as how national leaguers view the Designated Hitter rule. What once was a great blog to go to for some skeptical thinking and biological larnin’ has become a haven for craven pandinering and nasty piling on. How do they not see through it? Of course, I wodner the same thing about Novella, too, and there is no answer.
I think the first thing that a skeptic would thnk to ask is “why” women who have been figthing for civil rights would all of a sudden turn up against transgenderism. One does not simply go from demaning rights for women to “bigotry” as they so artfully put it, let alone right wing bigotry as is claimed.
And the NAZI thing – that’s so easy to apply. Everyone hates Nazis, right? So, the skeptics have become blind and lazy on this issue and, found a way to be misogynist and homophobic while remaining “cool.:
What has the LGB Alliance ever done to hurt anyone, other than to make it clear that their purpose is to specifically address issues related to Lesbians, Gays, and Bisexuals? Nothing, it’s just the exclusion itself that’s feared, and in naming that fear the Nazis are invoked. Again.
Michael Haubrich #9 wrote:
Yes. Although I myself was of course accused of right-wing bigotry and sadism, skeptics who had known me for a long time kept having trouble making that stick. I didn’t fit the mold. Therefore the consensus explanation now seems to be that I had deep needs and “motivations of which (I was) unaware … some kind of internal process going on that made (me) unable to accept even the existence of trans people. It was so strong and so deep, that it was like a law of nature that could not be questioned.”
It is, after all, the only thing that would explain why I kept on and on making the same pointed arguments against the consistency, coherency, truth, and wisdom of gender identity doctrine. It had to be an inexplicable personal problem in just this one area, probably unknowable even to myself.
Silly geese.
Really? In my experience they don’t worry about “making it stick,” they just assert it and watch all their friends nod in agreement.
@Ophelia;
Yes, they did that, a lot. But I have an old rule from when I was debating on IRC: ignore personal attacks. Never defend yourself. First, it’s a distraction; second, it’s irrelevant; third; it keeps the relationship positive on one end; fourth, the invective tends to wither and die without the back-and-forth. And I continually participated in lots of other discussions on topics where we all agreed. So they were apparently baffled.
Oh I wasn’t engaging by the time they went into full She Iz Eevil mode. Made no difference either way.
@Ophelia;
I know. Group dynamics and specific situation is crucial. I was just reflecting on my own experience. I did not expect t last as long as I did. Those GC who were banned quickly, I noticed, all spent considerable effort rebutting ad hominems.
Interesting, Sastra. I’d been wondering how you’d fared over there, and what they’d make of you.
The gender identity clusterfuck is an object lesson in Feynman’s Principle, isn’t it?
(“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself – and you are the easiest person to fool.” Of course the Horde have projected their foolishness onto you, O, and the rest of us.)