In theory Boebert and other Qanon or plain crazy congress critters that aided and abetted the insurrectionists could be expelled (USC Article 1 Section 5):
Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.
Whether in this day and age you could muster a 2/3 majority in Congress, even if for argument’s sake Boebert shot a Democratic member, seems to be an open question. I suspect there’d be a lot of victim blaming and talk of reconciliation rather than punishment from the GOP. Besides, rules about rule following are for Plebs, not important people and Magats.
The parallels with the rise of the Nazis are quite striking: particularly in Trump’s simple propaganda message of ‘make America great again.’ This plays right to the ego of his every supporter. Each of them can have a share in that ‘greatness.’
The T-shirt slogan ‘God, guns and Trump’ says it all, really. Could be rephrased as ‘God, guns and greatness.’ Or ‘Faith and Firepower for Fuckwits.’
(Excuse my language. I must have got a bit carried away.)
Expulsion would be an insufficient remedy anyway. She should be prosecuted for sedition. Then not only is she expelled, but forever barred from public office.
Papito, I think everyone of the Senators who voted to overthrow a legitimate election in favor of a dictator should be prosecuted for, and convicted of, sedition. Especially those who voted after the insurrection. For those who changed their mind while hunkered down behind barricades could be given a year off their sentence, maybe, for at least having a tiny amount of sense left, and a desire not to participate in the violent overthrow of the country, only in the quasi-legal overthrow.
I dislike the Electoral College, and I think a case can be made for sedition charges against a bunch of people, but I am not in favor of basing it on which way people voted. It was a legitimate action of a normal government process. “Vote this way or be prosecuted for sedition” seems less than free. There has to be more to it.
Sackbut, I’m not in favor of prosecuting people for how they vote, either, but in this case, they voted for an overthrow of a legitimate election even after an armed mob tried to seize the government by force. Some of them appeared to cheer the mob on, and a few even helped incite the mob. I don’t think any of this was unknown by those who voted not to certify the election. In this case, they appear to have been acting in a manner designed to overthrow the will of the voters, and destroy democracy by force.
I think it probably wouldn’t be possible to prosecute legislators for doing what they were legally allowed to do as part of the official process of certifying an election. Vox reported:
In a vote Wednesday evening, six Republicans in the Senate and 121 in the House backed objections to certifying Arizona’s electoral outcome, while seven Senate Republicans and 138 House Republicans supported an objection to certifying Pennsylvania’s electoral outcome. (We’ve included a full list at the end of this article.)
It was a somewhat surprising result following the violence and destruction by President Donald Trump’s supporters at the Capitol earlier that day, which prompted a number of Republicans to drop their previous challenges.
If there is solid evidence that they abetted the attack I think they should be expelled, but I think their votes on certification were legal, however loathsome.
Oh, I know that. I just need to vent. The attacks, and the possible rioting next week, have really disturbed me (as they have most), and I guess I’m just prone to hyperbole when I get disturbed.
Same here, and I get more disturbed every day instead of less, because it keeps becoming clearer that a lot of these fascist plotters are INSIDE the fucking house.
In theory Boebert and other Qanon or plain crazy congress critters that aided and abetted the insurrectionists could be expelled (USC Article 1 Section 5):
Whether in this day and age you could muster a 2/3 majority in Congress, even if for argument’s sake Boebert shot a Democratic member, seems to be an open question. I suspect there’d be a lot of victim blaming and talk of reconciliation rather than punishment from the GOP. Besides, rules about rule following are for Plebs, not important people and Magats.
The parallels with the rise of the Nazis are quite striking: particularly in Trump’s simple propaganda message of ‘make America great again.’ This plays right to the ego of his every supporter. Each of them can have a share in that ‘greatness.’
The T-shirt slogan ‘God, guns and Trump’ says it all, really. Could be rephrased as ‘God, guns and greatness.’ Or ‘Faith and Firepower for Fuckwits.’
(Excuse my language. I must have got a bit carried away.)
Expulsion would be an insufficient remedy anyway. She should be prosecuted for sedition. Then not only is she expelled, but forever barred from public office.
Papito, I think everyone of the Senators who voted to overthrow a legitimate election in favor of a dictator should be prosecuted for, and convicted of, sedition. Especially those who voted after the insurrection. For those who changed their mind while hunkered down behind barricades could be given a year off their sentence, maybe, for at least having a tiny amount of sense left, and a desire not to participate in the violent overthrow of the country, only in the quasi-legal overthrow.
I dislike the Electoral College, and I think a case can be made for sedition charges against a bunch of people, but I am not in favor of basing it on which way people voted. It was a legitimate action of a normal government process. “Vote this way or be prosecuted for sedition” seems less than free. There has to be more to it.
Sackbut, I’m not in favor of prosecuting people for how they vote, either, but in this case, they voted for an overthrow of a legitimate election even after an armed mob tried to seize the government by force. Some of them appeared to cheer the mob on, and a few even helped incite the mob. I don’t think any of this was unknown by those who voted not to certify the election. In this case, they appear to have been acting in a manner designed to overthrow the will of the voters, and destroy democracy by force.
I think it probably wouldn’t be possible to prosecute legislators for doing what they were legally allowed to do as part of the official process of certifying an election. Vox reported:
If there is solid evidence that they abetted the attack I think they should be expelled, but I think their votes on certification were legal, however loathsome.
Oh, I know that. I just need to vent. The attacks, and the possible rioting next week, have really disturbed me (as they have most), and I guess I’m just prone to hyperbole when I get disturbed.
Same here, and I get more disturbed every day instead of less, because it keeps becoming clearer that a lot of these fascist plotters are INSIDE the fucking house.