Brazen bare-faced
Pink News is furious.
Dunno, but the PN fume makes me want to read it, so I went looking. This seems like the likely culprit:
Trans women bullying lesbians into sex
Is a lesbian transphobic if she does not want to have sex with trans women? Some lesbians say they are increasingly being pressured and coerced into accepting trans women as partners – then shunned and even threatened for speaking out. Several have spoken to the BBC, along with trans women who are concerned about the issue too.
Let’s start with the question. Izza lesbian transphobic if. Here’s the thing: sex has to be voluntary. That’s it, that’s the tweet. Nobody has to have sex with anybody. Men who are told no don’t get to pretend they are victims of the women who tell them no. Men who know a particular woman is a lesbian and demands sex anyway is doing all kinds of things wrong; the woman is doing nothing wrong in saying no. Men who claim to be women need to leave lesbians the fuck alone.
“I’ve had someone saying they would rather kill me than Hitler,” says 24-year-old Jennie*.
“They said they would strangle me with a belt if they were in a room with me and Hitler. That was so bizarrely violent, just because I won’t have sex with trans women.”
Bizarrely but typically. We see it all the time. It’s hovering in the background of the stupid Pink News tweet.
One of the lesbian women I spoke to, 24-year-old Amy*, told me she experienced verbal abuse from her own girlfriend, a bisexual woman who wanted them to have a threesome with a trans woman.
They broke up shortly after that.
“I remember she was extremely shocked and angry, and claimed my views were extremist propaganda and inciting violence towards the trans community, as well as comparing me to far-right groups,” she said.
Because she doesn’t want to have sex with a man, what with being a lesbian and all.
Another woman gave in to the pressure.
“I felt very bad for hating every moment, because the idea is we are attracted to gender rather than sex, and I did not feel that, and I felt bad for feeling like that,” she said.
Ashamed and embarrassed, she decided not to tell anyone.
“The language at the time was very much ‘trans women are women, they are always women, lesbians should date them’. And I was like, that’s the reason I rejected this person. Does that make me bad? Am I not going to be allowed to be in the LGBT community anymore? Am I going to face repercussions for that instead?’ So I didn’t actually tell anyone.”
Pink News is jumping up and down shouting “Yes! Yes! That makes you bad! You’re a terrible person!”
By the way does this happen to men?
Another reported a trans woman physically forcing her to have sex after they went on a date.
“[They] threatened to out me as a terf and risk my job if I refused to sleep with [them],” she wrote. “I was too young to argue and had been brainwashed by queer theory so [they were] a ‘woman’ even if every fibre of my being was screaming throughout so I agreed to go home with [them]. [They] used physical force when I changed my mind upon seeing [their] penis and raped me.”
Wait what? What’s with all the brackets? Why all the they and them and they were and their? Did the BBC actually “correct” he and his to they and their? Undermining their own article? Why would they do that? (The other explanation would be that they “corrected” she and her, but that would make even less sense.)
Trans YouTuber Rose of Dawn has discussed the issue on her channel in a video called “Is Not Dating Trans People ‘Transphobic’?”
His channel, that is. He’s a trans woman.
Rose made the video in response to a series of tweets by trans athlete Veronica Ivy, then known as Rachel McKinnon, who wrote about hypothetical scenarios where trans people are rejected, and argued that “genital preferences” are transphobic.
I asked Veronica Ivy if she would speak to me but she did not want to.
He. He did not want to. Of course he didn’t. He’s a vehement noisy angry bully who steals athletic medals from women.
The BBC includes a photo of McKinnon on his bike…but alone, not next to women, which would make it obvious how very much bigger he is.
Stonewall is the largest LGBT organisation in the UK and Europe. I asked the charity about these issues but it was unable to provide anyone for interview. However, in a statement, chief executive Nancy Kelley likened not wanting to date trans people to not wanting to date people of colour, fat people, or disabled people.
Of course she did. She couldn’t be the chief executive of Stonewall if she refused to tell whoppers like that. She explained:
“Nobody should ever be pressured into dating, or pressured into dating people they aren’t attracted to. But if you find that when dating, you are writing off entire groups of people, like people of colour, fat people, disabled people or trans people, then it’s worth considering how societal prejudices may have shaped your attractions.”
So if straight people write off the entire group of people who are the same sex, they should have a good hard think about how societal prejudices may have shaped their attractions?
Also, does Stonewall say this to gay men? Does Nancy Kelley tell gay men to think about how societal prejudices may have shaped their attractions? Does she tell Benjamin Cohen that? Owen Jones? Peter Tatchell?
One telling clue that transwomen are men is that they are furious that the story implies that all transwomen are rapists pressuring lesbians. Finn Mackay has a thread wondering “how dare the BBC imply that a minoritised minority” are pressuring lesbian women for sex.
https://twitter.com/Finn_Mackay/status/1452932520559976451
Sorry, incels, the skirts aren’t working.
“Also, does Stonewall say this to gay men?” Even more revealing, do they ask the this of the most powerful sex/sexuality demographic, straight men? Not that I’ve seen. They go after the least powerful subdivision, homosexual women, because the least powerful group is the easiest to bully.
I’d be very curious to know how many “trans lesbians” date other “trans lesbians” on those lesbian dating sites. I may be wrong, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was very few, oddly enough.
I just want to point out the fatal flaw in the argument from the person who would rather murder Jennie than Hitler. As far as I can tell, and I have read quite a bit about Hitler, he would not have sex with trans people either. He would, however, have killed them without a second thought, so this person might want to consider that before deciding who he would like to murder.