What’s next, locker rooms? They’re going to exclude a lot of girls that way. If my daughter had no choice but to use multiple person bathrooms with boys, she would not be allowed to go to that school, no matter what any compulsory education laws say. There’s going to be some blowback about this one.
And, as usual. it is the girls who are giving up their spaces, and the boys who get All The Things. Why not have three kinds, Female, Male, Unisex? You’d only need one Unisex, because then everyone gets a choice, and all the girls will have a real choice; one which taking away ALL their toilets to give to boys doesn’t.
OTOH, maybe the kids are smart enough to figure it out themselves, as in no boys in the girls room, duh. Smarter than the trans dipshits who came up with this (hopefully)…
I read somewhere that, when this was tried in one elementary school, the kids themselves rejected it. They didn’t protest, but, after an initial burst of exploration, they simply went back to using the bathrooms as before. Boys in one; girls in another, by social consent.
Of course, TRAs probably don’t mind this, since the kids are still legally forced to accept trans using the opposite sex bathrooms.
Oh, this is going to be a flaming dumpster of a disaster, especially in high schools. Even if most kids are sane and decent about it, there absolutely will be male students who seize on the opportunity to bully and harass (sexually or otherwise) female students. I don’t anticipate many female students maliciously abusing the new rules, but to an extent the problem goes both ways: given the disproportionately high rates of trans identification among female teenagers, there will doubtless be more than a few girls making the boys’ room a very uncomfortable place for actual boys.
I have to ask. Why are Americans so coy about toilets? I can understand bathroom – it’s what it’s called at home, so call it that even if it doesn’t have all the characteristics (still a woman even without ovaries, right?). But restroom? Just going for a bit of a quiet sit down with my trousers around my ankles. So relaxing.
According to Wikipedia it’s a reference to upscale toilet facilities that featured couches and things (the restroom attendant with hot towels sort of place). As we seem to have a need for euphemisms it just became universalized.
As we seem to have a need for euphemisms it just became universalized.
I think part of what got us into this mess was the use of “gender” as a euphemism for “sex”. This has made the conflation of one with the other by genderists much easier, allowing them to hide their agenda behind the public confusion around the meanings of these terms, resulting in unawareness of its broader implications and logical conclusions. The reliance on this tactic becomes much more obvious when anyone quoting the clear, concise “adult human female” definition of “woman” is accused of “transphobia” trans activists. Clear, accurate language blows their cover, making it harder for them to hide what they’re really trying to do with regards to the health, safety, and boundaries of women and girls.
Catwhisperer – it’s not just coyness though, it’s also the ambiguity, because for Americans “toilet” is the appliance more than it’s the room the appliance is in. It’s also that we know other Anglophones call it other things and we get confused about who calls it which.
The WC, the head, the jakes, the john, the little boys’ room, the potty – the labels are many.
For the terminology, yes, it’s primarily Americans who are coy, but the wider fussiness about who gets to use which toilet extends to all of anglophonia, plus a fair number of other places.
The French, and to a lesser extent other Latins, care much less about it.
20 years ago, when our daughter received her diploma from the Grand École where she had been studying, we saw the sporting facilities, and were surprised to see that everyone used the same changing room, the same showers, the same toilets. No one else seemed surprised, however. When the occasion demands, for example when one is closed for cleaning, women happily use men’s toilets at motorway service areas, and men happily use women’s. In the former case women don’t get excited at the sight the backs of men using the urinals, and in the latter case men don’t get to see any of the depravity they may hope to see.
On the whole I don’t think that most French people regard sex and excretion as having anything much to do with one another. One consequence of that is that one rarely sees any graffiti in public toilets, and when one does the text is usually in English or German and concerns the sexual endowments of supporters of different football clubs.
My daughter’s school opened a single-seater “unisex” bathroom in the upper school, in addition to the boys’ and girls’, but the kids kept fucking in it so they had to close it.
Catwhisperer – it’s not just coyness though, it’s also the ambiguity, because for Americans “toilet” is the appliance more than it’s the room the appliance is in.
… and you don’t think there is any ambiguity in referring to a place not intended for resting in as a “restroom”?
I suppose what gets me about restroom is that the name is descriptive, like dining room, bedroom, dressing room, sitting room. You know where you are with those, but then restroom comes along pretending to be something it isn’t. It’s just odd.
There’s sitting room but there’s also living room, at least in US-speak. That too is an odd one, since we’re living in all the rooms. One US-speak word for a room that I really dislike is “den” – as if we hibernate.
There’s sitting room but there’s also living room, at least in US-speak. That too is an odd one, since we’re living in all the rooms.
Ophelia – I was also curious about that, too. Why were there “living rooms, family rooms, tv rooms” in houses? Especially since for people whose houses had all three, the living room was considered a formal entertainment room reserved for company.
There was a time, before the Civil War, when it was called the “parlor.” When a member of the family died, they would be on display in the parlor until burial. Funeral parlors came along and took over that role. Perhaps that is now why they are referred to as “living rooms.” No dead people here! Have a seat and live a little.
It was a rules-bound thing in my family – the sitting room was for the kids and the living room for the adult[s]. Less formal / more formal, tv / no tv, more battered sofa / less battered sofa etc. I nevertheless spent a lot of reading time on the living room sofa but I could be ejected at any time. I’m pretty sure I wondered at the time why sitting v living since we did both in each.
I always assumed that it’s called living room because that’s where general family life plays out. At least, in a “normal” house with the minimum number of rooms you might expect – kitchen, bathroom, bedroom (however many) and then if there is just one bonus room, that’s your general purpose area. Of course, the more cash you have and the more rooms are in the house, the more you can diversify to dining rooms and sitting rooms and drawing rooms and music rooms and games rooms and reading rooms and studies and dressing rooms and breakfast rooms and when you are so rich that you run out of purposes for your rooms, you start adding the colour scheme to the name. “Tea will be served in the green parlour”, that sort of thing.
What’s next, locker rooms? They’re going to exclude a lot of girls that way. If my daughter had no choice but to use multiple person bathrooms with boys, she would not be allowed to go to that school, no matter what any compulsory education laws say. There’s going to be some blowback about this one.
And, as usual. it is the girls who are giving up their spaces, and the boys who get All The Things. Why not have three kinds, Female, Male, Unisex? You’d only need one Unisex, because then everyone gets a choice, and all the girls will have a real choice; one which taking away ALL their toilets to give to boys doesn’t.
OTOH, maybe the kids are smart enough to figure it out themselves, as in no boys in the girls room, duh. Smarter than the trans dipshits who came up with this (hopefully)…
I read somewhere that, when this was tried in one elementary school, the kids themselves rejected it. They didn’t protest, but, after an initial burst of exploration, they simply went back to using the bathrooms as before. Boys in one; girls in another, by social consent.
Of course, TRAs probably don’t mind this, since the kids are still legally forced to accept trans using the opposite sex bathrooms.
They may be legally required to, but at that age, the kids themselves have a way of enforcing their own rules. ;)
Oh, this is going to be a flaming dumpster of a disaster, especially in high schools. Even if most kids are sane and decent about it, there absolutely will be male students who seize on the opportunity to bully and harass (sexually or otherwise) female students. I don’t anticipate many female students maliciously abusing the new rules, but to an extent the problem goes both ways: given the disproportionately high rates of trans identification among female teenagers, there will doubtless be more than a few girls making the boys’ room a very uncomfortable place for actual boys.
Really looking forward to more Youngkins getting elected… /s
I have to ask. Why are Americans so coy about toilets? I can understand bathroom – it’s what it’s called at home, so call it that even if it doesn’t have all the characteristics (still a woman even without ovaries, right?). But restroom? Just going for a bit of a quiet sit down with my trousers around my ankles. So relaxing.
According to Wikipedia it’s a reference to upscale toilet facilities that featured couches and things (the restroom attendant with hot towels sort of place). As we seem to have a need for euphemisms it just became universalized.
Yes, Dr. Jane Clare Jones is right: trans ideology eats your fucking brains alive.
I think part of what got us into this mess was the use of “gender” as a euphemism for “sex”. This has made the conflation of one with the other by genderists much easier, allowing them to hide their agenda behind the public confusion around the meanings of these terms, resulting in unawareness of its broader implications and logical conclusions. The reliance on this tactic becomes much more obvious when anyone quoting the clear, concise “adult human female” definition of “woman” is accused of “transphobia” trans activists. Clear, accurate language blows their cover, making it harder for them to hide what they’re really trying to do with regards to the health, safety, and boundaries of women and girls.
Catwhisperer – it’s not just coyness though, it’s also the ambiguity, because for Americans “toilet” is the appliance more than it’s the room the appliance is in. It’s also that we know other Anglophones call it other things and we get confused about who calls it which.
The WC, the head, the jakes, the john, the little boys’ room, the potty – the labels are many.
For the terminology, yes, it’s primarily Americans who are coy, but the wider fussiness about who gets to use which toilet extends to all of anglophonia, plus a fair number of other places.
The French, and to a lesser extent other Latins, care much less about it.
20 years ago, when our daughter received her diploma from the Grand École where she had been studying, we saw the sporting facilities, and were surprised to see that everyone used the same changing room, the same showers, the same toilets. No one else seemed surprised, however. When the occasion demands, for example when one is closed for cleaning, women happily use men’s toilets at motorway service areas, and men happily use women’s. In the former case women don’t get excited at the sight the backs of men using the urinals, and in the latter case men don’t get to see any of the depravity they may hope to see.
On the whole I don’t think that most French people regard sex and excretion as having anything much to do with one another. One consequence of that is that one rarely sees any graffiti in public toilets, and when one does the text is usually in English or German and concerns the sexual endowments of supporters of different football clubs.
My daughter’s school opened a single-seater “unisex” bathroom in the upper school, in addition to the boys’ and girls’, but the kids kept fucking in it so they had to close it.
Won’t some shrieking Wahhabi patriarchs step in and play the oppression trump card?
… and you don’t think there is any ambiguity in referring to a place not intended for resting in as a “restroom”?
Did I say that? No. I certainly think there’s something about “restroom,” though not exactly ambiguity. I think it’s a funny/peculiar word to use.
Unless there is a single-sex facility for the girls, there is NO bathroom in which girls (by and large) feel “comfortable.”
Why is it that the “comfort” of a tiny minority of boys matters more than the comfort and safety of half the students in the school?
I suppose what gets me about restroom is that the name is descriptive, like dining room, bedroom, dressing room, sitting room. You know where you are with those, but then restroom comes along pretending to be something it isn’t. It’s just odd.
There’s sitting room but there’s also living room, at least in US-speak. That too is an odd one, since we’re living in all the rooms. One US-speak word for a room that I really dislike is “den” – as if we hibernate.
Ophelia – I was also curious about that, too. Why were there “living rooms, family rooms, tv rooms” in houses? Especially since for people whose houses had all three, the living room was considered a formal entertainment room reserved for company.
There was a time, before the Civil War, when it was called the “parlor.” When a member of the family died, they would be on display in the parlor until burial. Funeral parlors came along and took over that role. Perhaps that is now why they are referred to as “living rooms.” No dead people here! Have a seat and live a little.
Hahahaha that’s good.
It was a rules-bound thing in my family – the sitting room was for the kids and the living room for the adult[s]. Less formal / more formal, tv / no tv, more battered sofa / less battered sofa etc. I nevertheless spent a lot of reading time on the living room sofa but I could be ejected at any time. I’m pretty sure I wondered at the time why sitting v living since we did both in each.
I always assumed that it’s called living room because that’s where general family life plays out. At least, in a “normal” house with the minimum number of rooms you might expect – kitchen, bathroom, bedroom (however many) and then if there is just one bonus room, that’s your general purpose area. Of course, the more cash you have and the more rooms are in the house, the more you can diversify to dining rooms and sitting rooms and drawing rooms and music rooms and games rooms and reading rooms and studies and dressing rooms and breakfast rooms and when you are so rich that you run out of purposes for your rooms, you start adding the colour scheme to the name. “Tea will be served in the green parlour”, that sort of thing.
(The word “room” is looking weird to me now.)