“You’re a bunch of dopes and babies”
Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker tell us about Trump’s contempt for everyone who isn’t Trump:
There’s a room in the Pentagon nicknamed “the Tank” where the Joint Chiefs of Staff meet to make consequential decisions.
One hundred fifty-two years after Lincoln hatched plans to preserve the Union, President Trump’s advisers staged an intervention inside the Tank to try to preserve the world order.
By that point, six months into his administration, Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, Director of the National Economic Council Gary Cohn, and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson had grown alarmed by gaping holes in Trump’s knowledge of history, especially the key alliances forged following World War II. Trump had dismissed allies as worthless, cozied up to authoritarian regimes in Russia and elsewhere, and advocated withdrawing troops from strategic outposts and active theaters alike.
Trump organized his unorthodox worldview under the simplistic banner of “America First,” but Mattis, Tillerson, and Cohn feared his proposals were rash, barely considered, and a danger to America’s superpower standing. They also felt that many of Trump’s impulsive ideas stemmed from his lack of familiarity with U.S. history and, even, where countries were located.
They figured they needed to tutor him a little, get him up to speed on the basics. “Now, over here, this is Europe…”
So on July 20, 2017, Mattis invited Trump to the Tank for what he, Tillerson, and Cohn had carefully organized as a tailored tutorial. What happened inside the Tank that day crystallized the commander in chief’s berating, derisive and dismissive manner, foreshadowing decisions such as the one earlier this month that brought the United States to the brink of war with Iran. The Tank meeting was a turning point in Trump’s presidency. Rather than getting him to appreciate America’s traditional role and alliances, Trump began to tune out and eventually push away the experts who believed their duty was to protect the country by restraining his more dangerous impulses.
Bit of a loss of control of subjects and objects there – let’s try “Not only did they fail to get him to appreciate America’s traditional role and alliances, but Trump began to tune out” and so on.
The episode has been documented numerous times, but subsequent reporting reveals a more complete picture of the moment and the chilling effect Trump’s comments and hostility had on the nation’s military and national security leadership.
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Mattis devised a strategy to use terms the impatient president, schooled in real estate, would appreciate to impress upon him the value of U.S. investments abroad. He sought to explain why U.S. troops were deployed in so many regions and why America’s safety hinged on a complex web of trade deals, alliances, and bases across the globe.
An opening line flashed on the screen, setting the tone: “The post-war international rules-based order is the greatest gift of the greatest generation.” Mattis then gave a 20-minute briefing on the power of the NATO alliance to stabilize Europe and keep the United States safe.
Huh? Wozzat? Point is, that Angela person, she doesn’t respect the Donald. They all don’t respect the Donald. The Donald goes in front for every photo; that’s the law.
For the next 90 minutes, Mattis, Tillerson, and Cohn took turns trying to emphasize their points, pointing to their charts and diagrams. They showed where U.S. personnel were positioned, at military bases, CIA stations, and embassies, and how U.S. deployments fended off the threats of terror cells, nuclear blasts, and destabilizing enemies in places including Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, the Korea Peninsula, and Syria. Cohn spoke for about 20 minutes about the value of free trade with America’s allies, emphasizing how he saw each trade agreement working together as part of an overall structure to solidify U.S. economic and national security.
Well that’s no fun. What’s fun is smashing it all, and taking credit for the smashing.
Anyway, Trump, of course, couldn’t grasp what they were telling him.
His ricocheting attention span led him to repeatedly interrupt the lesson. He heard an adviser say a word or phrase and then seized on that to interject with his take. For instance, the word “base” prompted him to launch in to say how “crazy” and “stupid” it was to pay for bases in some countries.
That’s the thing. He has the mind of a toddler, literally. He can’t understand a complete sentence; he grabs at an individual word because that’s the maximum he can process. “Base”: oooh I know that word.
They did a round on South Korea and how they should be paying rent, then NATO and how they should be paying dues, then Iran and how Trump wanted out, then Afghanistan.
Before they could debate the Iran deal, Trump erupted to revive another frequent complaint: the war in Afghanistan, which was now America’s longest war. He demanded an explanation for why the United States hadn’t won in Afghanistan yet, now 16 years after the nation began fighting there in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Trump unleashed his disdain, calling Afghanistan a “loser war.” That phrase hung in the air and disgusted not only the military leaders at the table but also the men and women in uniform sitting along the back wall behind their principals. They all were sworn to obey their commander in chief’s commands, and here he was calling the war they had been fighting a loser war.
“You’re all losers,” Trump said. “You don’t know how to win anymore.”
They tried to explain what was actually going on in Afghanistan.
Trump by now was in one of his rages. He was so angry that he wasn’t taking many breaths. All morning, he had been coarse and cavalier, but the next several things he bellowed went beyond that description. They stunned nearly everyone in the room, and some vowed that they would never repeat them. Indeed, they have not been reported until now.
“I wouldn’t go to war with you people,” Trump told the assembled brass.
Addressing the room, the commander in chief barked, “You’re a bunch of dopes and babies.”
For a president known for verbiage he euphemistically called “locker room talk,” this was the gravest insult he could have delivered to these people, in this sacred space. The flag officers in the room were shocked. Some staff began looking down at their papers, rearranging folders, almost wishing themselves out of the room. A few considered walking out. They tried not to reveal their revulsion on their faces, but questions raced through their minds. “How does the commander in chief say that?” one thought. “What would our worst adversaries think if they knew he said this?”
This is the guy, Leonnig and Rucker remind us, who got the bone spurs exemption.
Tillerson in particular was stunned by Trump’s diatribe and began visibly seething. For too many minutes, others in the room noticed, he had been staring straight, dumbfounded, at Mattis, who was speechless, his head bowed down toward the table. Tillerson thought to himself, “Gosh darn it, Jim, say something. Why aren’t you saying something?”
Gosh darn it? I think not.
Pence sat very still. People thought he would speak up, especially since he has a son in the Marines, but he just sat very still and uttered not a peep.
Tillerson is the one who spoke up, and told Trump he was wrong.
There was silence in the Tank. Several military officers in the room were grateful to the secretary of state for defending them when no one else would. The meeting soon ended and Trump walked out, saying goodbye to a group of servicemen lining the corridor as he made his way to his motorcade waiting outside. Mattis, Tillerson, and Cohn were deflated. Standing in the hall with a small cluster of people he trusted, Tillerson finally let down his guard.
“He’s a fucking moron,” the secretary of state said of the president.
Ah that’s when he said the immortal words. Good to know.
However bad we already know it is – it’s always worse. There’s always worse that we don’t yet know about.
Don’t worry. When the story is disseminated, his base will suddenly realize they’ve always been against “the troops.” No, I don’t know how it works either. How Trump is such a powerful magnet that he can shift deeply held beliefs so effortlessly.
I haven’t finished reading this post yet, but this caught me immediatel:
Much too generous. “Gaps” suggests the existence of something in which to have gaps in, like the cheese surrounding the holes in a block of Swiss cheese. His “knowledge” is all gap. He has no cheese. There is nothing but hole. More normalization of the grotesquely abnormal.
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Hindsight is easy, but just a thought. What if, at this moment, Mattis, Cohn, and Tillerson had all resigned, telling everyone what had transpired? What if they’d come out of the meeting talking about the 25th Ammendment, instead of carrying on. It should have been clear to all present that getting Trump out would be vital to the security of the country. Some sort of concerted effort on their part might have helped to get that ball rolling sooner.
Well and it’s not really hindsight, is it, many many of us have been saying he’s a threat all along.
Ben, I think it goes like this: “We supported the troops. Fake news. We’ve always been
at war with Eastasiaagainst the troops.It strikes me that this should have been expected. Trump’s entire campaign, his entire persona, was built on insulting people.
The guys in the room didn’t expect this because calling women and disabled people names, calling Democrats names, and so forth, is par for the course. They do it. It’s okay to call women names, to grab women by the pussy, to mock a female reporter for bleeding from her ‘whatever’, to mock a female presidential candidate for using the restroom during a break. That’s par for the course. You are supposed to do that; it makes you a man.
They didn’t expect he would turn that on them, because they wouldn’t do that. They wouldn’t insult the military, the real men, the ones who matter…but Trump has no such limits. That is what they didn’t expect. Insult women? Big yawn. Insult the disabled? Big yawn. Insult Democrats. Big Yawn. Now, though, he was insulting ‘real Americans’ – the men of the military.
#1 Ben
I don’t think it’s that Trump is a magnet in any sense, I think more relevant is that one of the strongest predictors for American conservatism in a person is whether they have authoritarian tendencies. That is, having a tendency to follow blindly is a major predictor that that person will vote conservative.
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#2 Bruce
I think at that early stage, they had not yet passed the tax breaks they so desperately wanted. The greedy fucks.
About that authoritarian tendencies—>voting conservative link, that tendency to follow blindly…it’s interesting how riddled with both the trans movement is. Believe or else; repeat the formulas or else; memorize each new formula the instant it appears or else; do not ever question the formulas or else.
It’s not real politics or social justice or progressivism or egalitarianism…it’s just marching. Take your marching orders and march.