The notion that a treatment should be denied by judges
Lawyers should not be making decisions on trans issues! Except when they should!
It’s been two weeks since three High Court judges in London ruled that trans children would not be able to consent to the reversible treatment of puberty blockers, a landmark decision that sent waves of anxiety through the trans community.
It’s not reversible, and it’s not treatment. That’s the issue. Lying about the issue in the first paragraph does not bode well.
It also caused shock at the Good Law Project, a non-profit campaign group launched in 2019 with the objective of using legal scrutiny to challenge abuses of power and injustices.
“None of the lawyers that I had spoken to thought that the case had a snowflake’s chance…and no one expected it to win,” says Jolyon Maugham QC, the Good Law Project’s founder. “Because these questions that the court has decided around…are not questions in relation to which judges have any expertise, right? The notion that a treatment should be denied by judges…just seemed like madness.”
But it’s not madness for Jolyon Maugham, a lawyer, to campaign for puberty blockers?
And, to repeat, it’s not a treatment. That’s the whole point. It’s a very harmful intervention in normal puberty, purported to reduce misery from a socially-created “condition” of having a brain that doesn’t match the body. It’s experimental quack medicine that leaves teenagers infertile and with fragile bones. That’s not “treatment,” it’s quackery.
Maugham is a prominent lawyer, prolific tweeter, and sometimes unfortunate over-sharer. He acknowledges that trans rights is a slightly unusual cause to fight for as a member of what he calls “his tribe”.
“I’ve moved a long way in my conceptualisation of what privilege really means, and quite how extraordinarily stupid and thoughtless and arrogant my tribe can be,” he says over a Zoom call. “[They] always think they know better and never fucking listen.”
Says Jolyon Maugham who…always thinks he knows better and never fucking listens, especially to women.
Maugham is referring to the prevalence of transphobia amongst an affluent and loud minority of middle class women and men, something the High Court’s ruling effectively institutionalised in England and Wales.
Jolyon Maugham is middle class and loud*, and extra-loud when he’s talking to women.
“You effectively find yourself in a world where a child and a parent, both of whom want that child to have access to puberty blockers, have to go and ask some judge for permission,” says Maugham. “So if you’re a parent, the court is saying to you, some judge knows better than you what is in the interest of your child. That’s an astonishingly morally offensive and logically nonsensical position for the law to find itself in.”
Just as it’s astonishingly morally offensive and logically nonsensical for judges to overrule Jehovah’s Witness parents who refuse to get medical treatment for their critically ill children? Parents don’t always make the right choice for their children, sadly, so yes, sometimes the state has to step in to protect those children. I suspect Jolyon Maugham knows that perfectly well in other contexts.
“What’s pretty troubling to me is that those charities which I understand to be really worried about this stuff aren’t coming out and speaking,” Maugham tells me, “and they’re not coming out and speaking because they’re afraid of what a small influential vocal group of feminists will say about that stance.”
What small influential vocal group of feminists is that? I don’t know of any such group that has made people too afraid to speak.
*Updating to add: and very very affluent, much more affluent than any radical feminists I know of.
Update 2: Jolly’s digs:
Is he trying to be funny? This is the same argument made when judges rule that parents who deny their child puberty blockers or other means of transition are “unfit” and the State will take them and ensure they get the right treatment.
I mean, he has to realize that —right?
“The law, Sir, is an ass.” – Dr Johnson to James Boswell.
A “loud” minority of middle class men and women may be speaking out, but a silent majority doesn’t even know any of this shit is happening. I think that’s missing here: Jolly here isn’t in any majority.
He hasn’t progressed beyond the tactics of the playground bully; the moment Teacher appears, he points at the kid he was tormenting two seconds earlier, and cries about how nasty the nerds are towards the jocks, and how afraid they are making everyone. Hey, it works in the playground…
Sastra @ 1 – I know, it’s astounding, isn’t it. He’s a lawyer himself and he’s meddling as much as he can, including by setting up the “Good Law” project (good law my ass). Yes of course he thinks judges should overrule parents when the parents say no to blockers…but when they say the opposite OMG WHAT ARE JUDGES DOING INTERFERING.
There are whole areas of law about these issues. That’s why we have informed consent laws. The court has expertise in the parameters of mental capacity and the scope of consent. The court also has access to expert testimony to assist it on these issues. The Legislature has a role in establishing ages of competence for purposes of making decisions; the court’s function is to apply those laws. There are also entire codes of laws on the welfare of children, and entire court departments specializing in children’s welfare. The juvenile courts decide what things are good or bad for children’s health and welfare ALL. THE. TIME.
Exactly, Maddog. And this particular judgement was made on the basis of extensive research by experts, the results of which were put in front of the judges despite the Tavistock trying to hide the damning evidence.
So, at two separate points in this interview (at least, this is just from the quotes), Jojo cites some unnamed sources to give his flappadoodle some sort of credibility (first, ‘none of the lawyers’ who opined about the case thought it could win, then unnamed ‘charities’ that are concerned about it). Sloppy journalism at its shoddiest. I’m inclined to sentence the reporter to say five Hail Murrows and three Our Rathers.
From time to time BBC Radio broadcasts a comedy programme called The Unbelievable Truth. Contestants have to speak on a topic for a couple of minutes, competing “to see how many nuggets of truth they are able to hide amongst their lies”. Maugham seems to be audtioning for the show – though I’m not sure he’s used up his quota of five genuine facts. It’s surprising, to say the least, that a QC has so little idea of the role of the courts.
I’d like to know which charities he’s expecting to come out in support of his position. The day after the judgment there was a mention somewhere of a joint statement by the NSPCC and others but if it ever existed it seems to have been suppressed. Perhaps they’ve worked out that it wouldn’t look good for them to promote experimental treatment on children.
Irrelevant, I know, but isn’t his house ugly? According to the floor plans, a barn is part of the property. Usually people just convert barns, but this one seems to have been fully transitioned.
I see what you did there :-)
@Omar #2 – Isn’t that Mr Bumble in Oliver Twist?
KBPlayer:
Yes, but Dickens wasn’t the first to use the phrase. It appeared in a play published George Chapman in 1654 – Revenge for Honour. The authorship of the play is under some dispute and it might have been written as early as 1620.
So you’re right that Mr Bumble said:
But it’s anyone’s guess who said it first.
Maybe Aristophanes, but he probably got it from somewhere else too.
I thought TRA types were against ‘medicalising’ transness? But if puberty blockers etc. are considered treatment…
The sure and certain hope might be that puberty blockers will turn the user into whichever stereotypical image they might choose: from Angeliina Jolie to Zsa Zsa Gabor.
Re. Omar’s #16, this is irrelevant to the conversation but I have never understood the ‘sure and certain hope’ phrase, which is always a big hit at Christian funerals and comes from the Book of Common Prayer, committing the body blah blah, ashes, dust, and then the sure and certain hope of resurrection and eternal life through whatsisface.
What strikes me as making no sense is that ‘sure and certain’ shouldn’t require ‘hope’. It’s as nonsensical as a precise ball-park figure, or an exact rough estimate. Hope is what one does when uncertain of an outcome. So whereas I’m sure and certain that the Sun will rise in the morning with no hoping required, I do hope I’m still around to see it. But whether I’m alive in the morning or not, the sun will surely and certainly rise.
That phrase has always annoyed me too. If it’s sure & certain why “hope”? My internal editor wants to do a strikethrough.
AoS:
It has always struck me the same way too. It contradicts the ‘sure’ and the ‘certain’ immediately preceding it in the traditional Christian funeral service.
A number of possibilities relating to the original composition of that text; well, at least three:
1. It was a Freudian slip on the part if the writers who composed it; though Freud of course had not yet been born at the time of its composition.
2. We certainly hoped.
3. It is an each-way bet: either there will be a grand reunion up in Heaven, at which us believers can congratulate one another that we made it and perhaps have a laugh at the expense of those who didn’t, OR in the vast emptiness of spacetime and that last blink of consciousness before the lights go out forever, we can play the exit card: ‘Remember, none of us offered any water-tight guarantees..’ (I could probably get a better offer from some dodgy used-car dealer.)
Maybe the first draft had it as sure and certain hype of the resurrection, but somebody figured it might give the game away.
Could be bad transcriptions. Some UK accents pronounce the o in “hope” such that “hope” sounds like “hype.”
Hey, I’m still trying to figure out why it’s supposed to be a compliment to say that someone is “God-fearing.” What are they so afraid of?
Screechy @ #22
It’s advisable not to get God offside. If he does his block and goes berserk, he is capable of anything: demolition of temples, parting of the odd Red Sea, sending earthquakes, fire, famine and pestilence, evicting tenants from gardens of Eden (that’s a town on the south coast of NSW). Stuff lke that.
He’s got form, as they say down at the local racetrack. So best humour him. Plenty of songs of praise: he’s one hell of an egotist.
Re: “hope” – when Cranmer drafted the Prayer Book in the mid-16th century the word meant rather more than “wishful thinking”. The first sense offered by the OED is “Expectation of something desired; desire combined with expectation”. There’s also “Feeling of trust or confidence” [obselete except as Biblical archaism]. The word has become diluted over time. Cranmer suffered martyrdom because he really believed in the Resurrection, not because he thought it would be nice if it turned out to be true.
This digression reminds one of the Seventh Day Advent Hoppists – whose bibles reproduced a certain misprint.
Richard,
Well, strictly speaking the jury is still out on that, and could be for an awful long time. At least till Judgement Day;(keep an ear open for heavenly trumpets and shawms, possibly sackbuts as well).
Otherwise, we will just have to wait till the end of the Universe, matter, energy and all.
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