Maugham either hasn’t thought it through or he’s being disingenuous.
GC feminists have explained that the Bell ruling wouldn’t impact Gillick competence because the arguments were very specifically tied to the fact that there are long term physical consequences with puberty blockers AND puberty blockers are experimental. Abortion isn’t an experimental unknown and it’s not designed to cause permanent changes to the body. A lawyer should recognize the distinction. And presumably the abortion rights groups aren’t speaking out because they have lawyers.
What a liar. First, if all you have to do to be trans is say, “I’m trans,” nobody is stopping anybody from saying it. Being trans doesn’t require anything else. PB are not essential to “being trans.” Second, any competent adult can be trans if they want to, and give informed consent to any treatment they want, if they can find a doctor willing to do what they ask. Everybody on the GC side says, “Wear what you want. Present however you like. Be as ‘trans’ as you want. You should be protected against discrimination in employment, housing, and public accommodation, just like other minority groups.” How in the world is that “coming for trans people”? Geez, hyperbole much?
How in the world is that “coming for trans people”? Geez, hyperbole much?
Oh, but don’t you know, not being able to use the women’s restroom? Isn’t that just like “no coloreds” signs, where people were discriminated against for superficial characteristics they were born with? Just the same as keeping Africans enslaved? Just the same as putting 6 million Jews to death just for being Jews? JUST THE SAME, I tell you…I shout it…SHOUT IT…so it will be true.
Someone pointed out that among all the frothing about the Court’s decision there has not been one word of sympathy for Keira Bell, who was rendered sterile and mutilated by the treatment.
Normally in such controversies, if there’s been a victim, and you’re on the other side, you do make some polite acknowledgements of sympathy. Even Thatcher nodded towards miners’ losing their jobs and suffering hardship when she closed the mines. Military interventionists acknowledge that there were civilian casualties, which of course they regret. But the TRAs don’t seem to be up to expressing even hypocritical concern that this kind of treatment may damage some of the patients at least.
As others have pointed out, his statement that “[f]irst they came for the Jews and I said nothing…” is true of the Labour anti-Semitism scandal.
I do hope someone will draw to the attention of Dame Victoria Sharp, Lord Justice Lewis and Mrs Justice Lieven that a QC with a large popular following is using social media to liken them to the Nazis. Judges can be touchy about that sort of thing.
The [London] Times reports that: “Following the [Keira Bell] judgement, criminal barristers have been instructed to consider whether or not any criminal offences have been committed. It is being considered whether doctors were reckless as to the consequences, and reckless as to whether children were properly able to give informed consent. There is the possibility that this could lead to criminal proceedings.”
Perhaps that will give Amnesty some prisoners to adopt.
Puberty blockers have a proven efficacy in: reducing dysphoria, reducing the invasiveness of future surgery, are correlated with improved psychosocial adaptation and reduced suicidal ideation and attempts (with withholding blockers associated with increased suicidal ideation).
This decision is literally going to get children killed, so yes “not giving children medication that stops puberty” is comparable to exterminating them. Or that could be reworded as torturing trans kids in ways shown repeatedly to lead them to want to kill themselves .. doesn’t sound much better to me. (The Nazis also tortured and exterminated trans people, so it’s not as if the analogy is even that much of a stretch.)
Someone pointed out that among all the frothing about the Court’s decision there has not been one word of sympathy for Keira Bell, who was rendered sterile and mutilated by the treatment.
Normally in such controversies, if there’s been a victim, and you’re on the other side, you do make some polite acknowledgements of sympathy. Even Thatcher nodded towards miners’ losing their jobs and suffering hardship when she closed the mines. Military interventionists acknowledge that there were civilian casualties, which of course they regret. But the TRAs don’t seem to be up to expressing even hypocritical concern that this kind of treatment may damage some of the patients at least.
Maugham either hasn’t thought it through or he’s being disingenuous.
GC feminists have explained that the Bell ruling wouldn’t impact Gillick competence because the arguments were very specifically tied to the fact that there are long term physical consequences with puberty blockers AND puberty blockers are experimental. Abortion isn’t an experimental unknown and it’s not designed to cause permanent changes to the body. A lawyer should recognize the distinction. And presumably the abortion rights groups aren’t speaking out because they have lawyers.
“First they came for trans people …”
What a liar. First, if all you have to do to be trans is say, “I’m trans,” nobody is stopping anybody from saying it. Being trans doesn’t require anything else. PB are not essential to “being trans.” Second, any competent adult can be trans if they want to, and give informed consent to any treatment they want, if they can find a doctor willing to do what they ask. Everybody on the GC side says, “Wear what you want. Present however you like. Be as ‘trans’ as you want. You should be protected against discrimination in employment, housing, and public accommodation, just like other minority groups.” How in the world is that “coming for trans people”? Geez, hyperbole much?
First they came for the children
And I wanted the children to be mutilated
So I said something
But everyone thinks I’m a twunt and ignored me
Oh, but don’t you know, not being able to use the women’s restroom? Isn’t that just like “no coloreds” signs, where people were discriminated against for superficial characteristics they were born with? Just the same as keeping Africans enslaved? Just the same as putting 6 million Jews to death just for being Jews? JUST THE SAME, I tell you…I shout it…SHOUT IT…so it will be true.
Ooooh, he was SPEAKING AS A LAWYER!
I believe the appropriate English term here is “what a wanker.”
@Screechy – your English is impeccable, mate.
Someone pointed out that among all the frothing about the Court’s decision there has not been one word of sympathy for Keira Bell, who was rendered sterile and mutilated by the treatment.
Normally in such controversies, if there’s been a victim, and you’re on the other side, you do make some polite acknowledgements of sympathy. Even Thatcher nodded towards miners’ losing their jobs and suffering hardship when she closed the mines. Military interventionists acknowledge that there were civilian casualties, which of course they regret. But the TRAs don’t seem to be up to expressing even hypocritical concern that this kind of treatment may damage some of the patients at least.
As others have pointed out, his statement that “[f]irst they came for the Jews and I said nothing…” is true of the Labour anti-Semitism scandal.
I do hope someone will draw to the attention of Dame Victoria Sharp, Lord Justice Lewis and Mrs Justice Lieven that a QC with a large popular following is using social media to liken them to the Nazis. Judges can be touchy about that sort of thing.
The [London] Times reports that: “Following the [Keira Bell] judgement, criminal barristers have been instructed to consider whether or not any criminal offences have been committed. It is being considered whether doctors were reckless as to the consequences, and reckless as to whether children were properly able to give informed consent. There is the possibility that this could lead to criminal proceedings.”
Perhaps that will give Amnesty some prisoners to adopt.
I’m sure Amnesty would be very proud to showcase its newest crop of celebrity prisoners of conscience.
“All they did was stand up for a child’s right to mutilate herself. Won’t you donate now?”
I’m guessing the first tweet continues:
Then they came for the women and I said, ‘Fuck those cunts’. /s
There is no meaningful way in which puberty blockers for trans kids are experimental:
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/26895269.2020.1747768
Puberty blockers have a proven efficacy in: reducing dysphoria, reducing the invasiveness of future surgery, are correlated with improved psychosocial adaptation and reduced suicidal ideation and attempts (with withholding blockers associated with increased suicidal ideation).
This decision is literally going to get children killed, so yes “not giving children medication that stops puberty” is comparable to exterminating them. Or that could be reworded as torturing trans kids in ways shown repeatedly to lead them to want to kill themselves .. doesn’t sound much better to me. (The Nazis also tortured and exterminated trans people, so it’s not as if the analogy is even that much of a stretch.)
KBPlayer:
Well said.
=8)-DX, thank you for proving KBPlayer’s point.