It’s YOUR fault
Look at this absolute shit.
Two people are murdered, and this shit uses them to pretend their murders are the fault of feminist women.
In other words men who want a fuck discover that the person they want to fuck doesn’t have female genitalia so they fly into a male rage…………
…………..and the real responsibility for that is not that of the men who do it but of the feminist women who say that only women are women.
So many scare quotes. Doesn’t the paragraph read better without them? And maybe a few more fixes…
Quotes are fun. Everybody can play with them:
It’s horrible that anybody got murdered. I’m sure this person was kind and sweet and beloved by friends. Seriously, though, don’t date anybody without disclosing your actual sex. If lying about using a condom is rape, then lying about having a dick is also rape.
Probably rape by prostitute at that given trends at which point I’m not sure where the blame lies, but murder is murder and men are the ones doing it so I guess that’s all that matters here.
I don’t think that’s all that matters here. I think it also matters that radical transgender activists are trying to use such murders to force men and women to comply with unwanted sexual encounters and invasion of women-only spaces by men.
Right. And we all know that violent men look to J.K. Rowling for their guidance on matters of masculinity. If only the author of books about a child wizard would just start telling people that women can have penises, then fragile violent male assholes will react with pleasure and delight to discovering that their date/one night stand/prostitute has a penis.
The important thing is, we’ve found a woman to blame.*
*- Noted philosopher Jimmy Buffett questioned, and then rejected, the claim “there’s a woman to blame.” See Margaritaville, Changes in Latitudes, Changes in Attitudes (ABC 1977), choruses 2 and 3.
(sarcasm off)
I thought that the trans movement swore that this “surprise, it’s a penis!” scenario never actually happens — that it’s a bogus “trans panic” defense raised by men who knew damn well what they were getting into but then felt guilt/remorse/loss of masculinity after the fact. (And I was inclined to agree — it always seemed far-fetched that a trans person would want to attempt such a “trick.” Even the film The Crying Game had to resort to a contrived “but I thought you knew!” farce to justify its “shocking” reveal.)
Point of fact: the statistics show that black women have a much higher murder rate than trans (but lower than black men). Prostitutes have a high murder rate (but these tweets do not say they were prostitutes, so maybe or maybe not).
Occam’s razor would suggest, in the absence of other evidence, that they were murdered for some reason other than being trans. If we do know they were murdered for being trans, it is not J. K. Rowling’s fault, not O.B’s fault, not Julie Bindel’s fault, and not my fault.
This is just another way to blame women for the violence committed by men.
In addition to what’s been pointed out already, what infuriates me is that Jacob, and the ACLU, and a number of “woke” feminists of my acquaintance, have posted about these murders, and have posted nary a word about the many women and girls murdered in this country and elsewhere in the world. It must not matter when women are killed, perhaps because they’re evil scum who cause the deaths of trans people.
Where the hell is the ACLU on this? They defended the free speech rights of Nazis, for cryin’ out loud. They claim a “longstanding commitment to defending speech we hate”. Step up!
https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/aclus-longstanding-commitment-defending-speech-we-hate
One of those TIMs was murdered during a robbery and the other one might also have been a robbery that escalated. So what is that male Jacob nattering on about?
@Southwest88
Links please?
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2020/06/12/riah-joyful-person-family-remembers-woman-killed-liberty-township-robbery/5346645002/
https://www.ydr.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/14/york-transgender-woman-brutally-murdered-philadelphia-police-say/3186576001/
For Fells article, there is a line about him being seen fighting (?) with a male known to him before the murder.
BULLY spots two gender non-conforming male persons.
GNCMP #1: I’m a woman!
GNCMP #2: I’m a man.
BULLY tips hat to GNCMP#1, bashes GNCMP #2.
BULLY: Good thing I know Trans Women Are Women! Thanks, transactivists!
(cross-posted from Twitter)
The Gender Critical position isn’t that “the goal of trans identity is to mislead people,” it’s that trans ideology is misleading. That’s a big difference. The first one is saying that trans people are lying con artists; the second that an explanation is mistaken.
Build up a Straw Man so you can knock it down, why don’t you..
It’s interesting in that article that, although the police reported that it wasn’t motivated by hatred of trans people but by robbery, there are still a lot of people calling for it to be treated as a hate crime. What, they hated that this person had a car and they didn’t? Hate crime requires it be motivated by hatred of some aspect of the person that is different, like skin color, sexual orientation, etc, not by a robbery.
And the article makes a big deal about 26 trans women murdered in 2019. Meanwhile, there are approximately 137 women killed by a family member or intimate partner every day around the world, according to the UN. Where is the outrage?
And where is the evidence that either of these were in any way caused by TERFs? Or could have been prevented if there had never been a single TERF? If J.K. Rowling had just said, “Hey, I’m down with people who menstruate as a term, because, well, we ALL know there are men who menstruate”, would these women still be alive? Not likely.
Liar. See the Black Lives Matter crowds misidentified and misappropriated by this (they/them) asshole as Black Trans Lives on (they/them)’s twitter. Here again hijacking a movement that doesn’t belong to (they/them). Dispicable. Also retweeting that Chase Strangio creep. Lowest of the low.
It’s a dishonest thing to do, but people don’t deserve to be murdered for misleading somebody about their genitalia.
Unfortunately there are psychos out there who are going to flip out if they get tricked by a trans woman, as Jacob acknowledges.
So which side here is encouraging transwomen to present themselves as true women in every sense of the word, and thus increase their risk of getting into such a bad situation?
Victim blaming? Maybe. But why do something that’s going to anger everyone you do it to?
Now, this is truly enlightening. Probably moreso than this nonsense-person intended.
The problem, as they describe it, is this: Men think women are supposed to have lady-gardens and not gentleman-sausages. Transwomen have gentleman-sausages, so men murder them when encountering an unexpected meal.
How fix? Make men think women can also have lady-gardens.
Let’s say that I become irate when the delivery guy brings me a meat-lover’s pizza, because I ordered a vegetarian pizza. This person thinks that the problem is me. So the solution is not to make it so that the delivery guy brings me the type of pizza I ordered. The solution is to make me believe that a meat-lover’s pizza is a (type of) vegetarian pizza. That way, I won’t feel like I was delivered the wrong pizza regardless of what the toppings are.
Godfrey Daniels, that’s some twisted logic.
The problem is that I ordered a razzafrackin’ vegetarian pizza, a pizza without meat, but what I got was a pizza with nothing but meat.
Thanks for the links, southwest88.
Regarding the murder of Milton (left photo):
So, note to Jacob Tobia: ONE OF THOSE WAS DEFINITELY NOT MURDERED FOR BEING TRANS.
Regarding the murder of Fells, there is no known motive yet, but I did find an interesting passage further down:
14 trans or nb people murdered so far, and the trans population is estimated to be *checks wiki* 0.6% of the population, presumably including both physically transitioned and untransitioned as I saw no breakdown for either. Anyway, if trans people are being murdered above normal rates, we would expect them to comprise greater than 0.6% of the murdered people so far.
…Unfortunately, after some snooping I see that the FBI compiles the figures and publishes them late in the following year, meaning not even 2019’s figures are available. So I have to go by 2018 data, found here, with of course the caveat that I don’t really know how applicable this is to 2020. The site also has some considerations about the data at the bottom of the page.
Anyway. That page reports 14,504 homicides for 2018. The current date, 17/06/20, is 46% of the way through the year, so let’s reduce that number proportionally: 6,671. If trans people comprise 0.6% of those murdered, in line with their proportion of the population, that would total almost exactly… 40.
I submit that 14 is lower than 40. It is a crude calculation, but 40 is about triple 14 so I think it is safe to say that trans people are not murdered at a disproportionate rate.
Holms, every calculation I’ve seen, (and one I’ve made myself,) has had the same result. Trans people are no more likely to be murdered than anyone else. Possibly less.
The false narrative of an “epidemic” of murdered trans women continues to be spread by trans advocacy groups (the Human Rights Campaign among others), and by useful idiots like Jacob Tobia. It’s been accepted uncritically by mass media.
It’s a handy bit of emotional manipulation. It’s probably their most successful piece of propaganda.
I can’t believe that “gender nonconforming” has become a quasi-official term.
Everyone is “gender nonconforming” to one degree or another. Yes, it’s true: not many men who are otherwise “gender conforming” wear dresses and lipstick. But what about men who consider themselves men (masculine, even) who, say… work in a preschool (gender nonconforming), prefer a consensus-building as opposed to a competitive approach (gender nonconforming), and always vote for women candidates (gender nonconforming)?
I know men like that won’t be called gender nonconforming, but that’s why I dislike this term. It’s something that applies to everyone in different ways, but it’s only used for certain conspicuous examples of gender nonconformity. The most obvious and superficial examples: prefers dressing “like a woman,” behaves in stereotypically “feminine” ways, etc.
Gender is so much bigger than that.
I just changed my voter registration because I moved. I put down “homemaker” for profession. Gender nonconforming? Do I get a march now?
But seriously, the idea that “trans women” are being murdered at alarming rates… This has never been true. People get murdered all the time, especially young black men (mostly by other young black men). What is the comparison group for “trans women,” who gets murdered at a lower rate? Is it actual women? Men get murdered at about four times the rate of women. Is this another one of those arguments about reality not complying with TIMs’ sex fantasies?
If he was talking about porn rather than “TERFs” – he’d accuse himself of being a “SWERF”.
This reminds me very heavily of the debates around the social harms of gaming.
At a point violent videogames were being blamed for violence, yet as the games became more graphic and more available, rates of violence were falling.
There is no evidence to link violent videogames with actual violence – in fact in terms of school shootings, about 20% of school shooters reported playing violent videogames, vs 70% of their peers.
The basis of the idea that violent media causes violence cannot be maintained on the strength of the research. There are issues involved in the creation of violent media, PTSD is an issue with regards to the developers, but that is a seperate issue.
Now here is the thing: With violent videogames there is at least a reasonable assumption that someone who is violent has played them. Most people have played violent videogames.
With the argument that gender critical feminists cause violence against trans individuals, there is no such base assumption. Gender critical feminism isn’t a multibillion dollar mass entertainment industry, it is an academic niche.
There is no logical causal chain here, and the premise is based on ideas that have been thoroughly discredited repeatedly throughout media history. What is he going to call for the banning of rock, and accuse comic books of causing moral degeneracy next?
@Bruce,
No, next I think he’s going to say that all the lesbians who refuse to have sex with TIMs are making them be murdered.
I have seen some analyses that suggest the trans advocates are using statistics for the entire LGBTQ and citing them as trans statistics. That makes the picture change somewhat, but I for one refuse to count bad things that happen to a lesbian or to a gay man as happening to trans.
The other thing is that the murders of trans are not necessarily because they are trans, so that doesn’t count toward TERF-incited murders. For instance, Milton…robbery. Some domestic violence cases, where murder by an intimate partner is for some reason other than being trans…same reasons other people get murdered not for being a woman or a man, not for being black or white, but just for being hooked up with a violent partner who sees no problem murdering someone he is mad at (and I use he advisedly; while there are women who violently murder their partners, they are a small fraction of these murders).
And one more thing: from every statistic I’ve seen, the victims are overwhelmingly black, a group with one of the highest (non-trans) murder rates in the country. Black men more than white men, white men more than white women, all of them more than trans. Quite a large number of them are prostitutes, another group with an unfortunately high murder rate.
In the absence of any clear cut motive saying that the murderers were motivated to kill them because they were trans, it is safe to assume that the number of hate crime murders committed against trans is likely close to non-existent. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, and it is an outrage when it does. But why is it more of an outrage than the many more women-men-black women-black men being murdered?
You’re all missing the bulk of transgender murder victims in your calculations. OK, in the real world suicide does not qualify as murder but in wokeworld every trans suicide – and only trans suicide is a murder, comitted by words and non-validation.
Ben @18,
And what constitutes gender-nonconformance depends on cultural values, too. For example, I hate dancing. That makes me very gender conforming among my fellow white North American males, but that doesn’t even hold true among other ethnic groups in North America, let alone in other countries.
AoS @ 23,
Except that since we know that “suicide contagion” is a real phenomenon, the TRAs who constantly rant about how trans people are going to kill themselves are themselves committing “murder” by their own definition.
Ben #18 Screechy Monkey #24
And, once again, what does it even mean to be “gender non-conforming” if the only thing that makes a person belong to a specific “gender” in the first place are the gender norms (s)he conforms to?
Acolyte of Sagan #23
Even if the words and non-validation doesn’t lead to suicide they may cause a person to “feel dead inside”. That’s murder too, You know.
Anybody see the stats on suicide rate among “non-transitioned” “trans women” vs “transitioned” “trans women?”
(Yes, I learned to use scare quotes from a fellow named Jacob)
So let’s see, here’s a report:
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/suicidality-transgender-adults/
Statistics are famously open to interpretation, and the study is rife with biased language, but a few things stand out to me:
On Page 17, it seems like the suicide attempt rate doubles or triples if hormones are secured from anybody but a licensed professional. So anybody bootlegging hormones is killing people. The suicide attempt rate doubles after detransition. So anybody prematurely transing people is killing people.
On Page 29, other risk factors are noted. For example, engaging in sex work roughly triples the rate of suicide attempts. So anybody legitimizing sex work is killing trans people. Being involved in illicit drug sales, ditto. More interestingly, the suicide attempt rate more than doubles among respondents who “always tell them I’m NB/GQ,” compared to the ‘let them assume’ category. So not correcting wrong “gender assumptions” should be encouraged for the mental health of trans people.