Belief and knowledge
If this is how we decide what is true…we have a problem.
“Trans women are women legally.”
I’m not sure I believe the law has the power to change physical reality that way. The law can define people as citizens or non-citizens, criminals or not, and other social categories like that. It can define people as children or adults, I guess – certainly there are laws that rely on the categories. But can the law just decide that men who say they are women are in fact women? Maybe it has the power to do it, but does it have the right? And do we actually have to accept the law’s definition?
“The belief that trans women are men is not a protected belief”
But it’s not a belief. The shoe is on the other foot – the belief that a man becomes a woman by saying so is a belief, while saying that a man is not a woman is not a belief, it’s just reality.
It’s quite gaslighty, this business of pretending that it’s a mere frivolous lightly-adopted belief that men are not women.
” and was considered “not worthy of respect” by the judge in the Forstater case.”
Even a judge doesn’t get to tell us we have to stop knowing that men are not women. We do know that men are not women, and we couldn’t stop knowing it if we tried. We could pretend, we could lie and bullshit and flatter, but that’s the utmost that is possible. Given that some of us think lying and bullshitting are bad, we’re not very motivated to make the attempt.
Sexual dimorphism. How does it work?
The irony is that the entire trans ideology depends on sexual dimorphism. There has to be something different between men and women for any man to believe he is a woman. They only reject it when that suits their ideology.
There is nothing special about a ‘protected belief. As I understand it, that describes most religions, most of which contradict each other and therefore can’t all be true, despite being protected.
Ergo, no matter the form of the trans belief, the hewing to gender dimorphism one twitter rant, denying it the next; ‘protected’ is completely irrelevant for truth purposes.
IMHO Forstater has essentially been found to have discriminated on religious grounds.
Which is bollocks of course; but then I would say that, I’m an atheist!:)
iknklast, every once in a while when I contemplate this issue I get something resembling an ice cream headache from the sheer stupidity of it.
So thanks for that.
Yes, of course you’re right: transgenderism has to hold that there is a difference in order for its champions to cross that difference. The difference is the background they count on. Our (“CIS” people’s) job in their world is to provide that difference.
This is one of the ways in which transgenderism is inherently conservative. The project of feminism goes too far for them. This is why they have to run lesbians out of existence.
In terms of the number of transgender surgeries performed, Thailand is number one. Iran is number two. These surgeries are performed to fix homosexuals. Homosexuality has a death penalty for men. Transing the gays sets things right again.
Wokebros and Ayatollahs: strange bedfellows.
bascule @ 2 – Yes, I was just musing on that – “protected belief” surely refers to religious beliefs, which need protection because they’re…false.
But trans dogma claims to be Science. Trans dogmatists certainly don’t want to hear that their “gender” is a religious belief. That judge didn’t really do them much of a favor.
“There are TWO sexes and I am the one I am not.” Simple.
Papito, exactly. And non-binary especially relies on it. If there is no “binary”, then there is no “non-binary”. And by calling us “cis”, they have declared that we are binary…and therefore not special, of course. We are boring in that we have sex either with the same sex or the opposite sex, but not with the same sex while dressed as the opposite sex…or vice versa. It takes someone truly courageous and out there to say “I’m non-binary”. Except, of course, it doesn’t. The ‘they’ pronoun might annoy a lot of people (including me), but the risk for the NBs is minimal. They can conform to one sex, the other sex, or neither, or both. And most people will shrug and say “whatever”.
Trans does actually get more pushback, but not more pushback than gay, probably less. Not more pushback than lesbian, probably less. Not more pushback than feminist…in fact, it appears they get orders of magnitude less. And the supposed oppression they suffer is nothing compared to the multiple non-white minority groups, non-Christian minority groups, or non-irrational minority groups (in short, “reality-based thinkers”) that populate this country. I won’t speak for any other country, as I have never lived in another, only visited and that is not adequate for knowing local customs, but I suspect the same thing can be said for most countries, if not all.
…and evolution is only a theory. It’s the same utter trash.
So this TIM would have been OK with owning slaves in the USA in the 1830’s because “slaves are slaves legally” and that is what would be the only important thing about slavery?
These gender woowoo people really don’t see that the hole they dig for others is one that can swallow them up just as easily someday.
“Trans women are women legally.”
One of the least thought out epistemologies ever, and I greatly doubt Emma adheres to it with any consistency. This is a common trait amongst many religious apologists I have seen: when your beliefs are vulnerable to scrutiny, any argument that appears to prop them up will be accepted with minimal examination. It’s the ‘any port in a storm’ principle.