Active in anti-feminist and misogynist groups on Facebook
The man authorities have said attacked the family of a federal judge, leaving her husband wounded and her son dead, had previously called her “a lazy and incompetent Latina judge appointed by Obama,” and had fantasized about raping a different female judge who presided over his divorce case, NBC News reported.
A review of thousands of pages of self-published writing by Roy Den Hollander, an anti-feminist lawyer, found threats of retribution against the “feminazi infestation of government institutions” and the “feminist infested American judicial system,” NBC reported. The lawyer “was active in anti-feminist and misogynist groups on Facebook, including groups titled Humanity Vs. Feminism and Men Going Their Own Way, according to an analysis of accounts linked to him,” NBC News reported. It characterized his writing as “littered with language common among the most extreme anti-feminist communities on the web.”
Oh that’s exciting. I’ve been a target of some of those “communities on the web.” I think they’ve forgotten about me now, but it was creepy at the time. They were so obsessive about it.
https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/nj-judge-esther-salas-took-on-epstein-case-days-before-shooting/
I hate to go all conspiracy theory on this, but I’m suspicious.
Oh jeez.
Isn’t it interesting that anti-feminists like this guy have no confusion, feigned or otherwise, in identifying women as females. It’s almost as if hatred of women is hatred of the female sex! (Please quell your gasps of amazement at this revelation.)
Now if only the woke had the same clarity. If anti-feminism is hatred of the female sex, surely this clarifies for them what a fucking woman is and what feminism is about.
It stinks to High Heaven
Enlighten me on how this conspiracy is supposed to work.
Who went to all the trouble of locating, capturing, killing, and framing a “patsy,” killing one other person and wounding a third? Amazing that this conspiracy was competent enough to pull that off, but couldn’t manage to kill their actual target, the judge.
And what’s their motive?
You think that Deutsche Bank did this because of a fucking shareholder derivative suit? The kind of suit that gets filed all the time against major companies, most of which are dismissed or settled quickly? Or that one of more of Epstein’s Pals Who Raped Children decided to try to kill a federal judge over this suit… because why? Because they thought that Deutsche Bank has videos of Epstein’s rape parties or other hard evidence that hasn’t come out before, just sitting in a corporate vault, but that they will feel ethically bound to produce in discovery? You realize that if that’s the case, then even without this suit, Deutsche Bank could still be subpoenaed in the Maxwell case, or any pending or future civil case by the victims?
Not to mention the fact that killing a judge does not cause the cases that were before that judge to magically disappear. They get reassigned. Who on earth tries to murder a federal judge just to get a case reassigned? Especially since, the case having been filed four days ago, the judge hasn’t made any rulings yet or done anything to indicate how she would handle the case.
If I sound irked, it’s because I think these kinds of conspiracy theories do real harm. They distract us from talking about the actual problems.
When Epstein died, the conspiracists insisted that no way could Riker’s Island, or any other jail, be so incompetent and/or uncaring as to allow a prisoner on suicide watch to commit suicide. Former prisoners, criminal defense attorneys, and prison reform advocates all spoke up and said, “uhh, yeah, actually, this shit is incredibly common, especially at Riker’s. You just don’t usually hear about it because the people who die aren’t famous, just unknown alleged criminals who society thinks we’re better off without anyway.” And roughly half the population either ignored this information, or shrugged, and said “nah. Gotta be conspiracy.” And that was the end of any public conversation about reforming Riker’s Island or the treatment of suicidal inmates.
Here we have a woman judge whose son was murdered and her husband wounded because of an unhinged disgruntled litigant who was also a known misogynist who had spouted increasingly violent rhetoric. There is a sad history of unhinged disgruntled litigants trying to kill judges. And an equally sad history of “men’s rights activists” exploding in misogynistic murder sprees. But nah, too obvious. Must be a conspiracy. Let’s talk about the sexy conspiracy instead of dull topics like misogyny.
And yes, I know that commenters here don’t need to be lectured by me about the dangers of misogyny. And I don’t think anyone here is intentionally trying to distract from that topic. But I think it’s the unintentional effect of playing with these “fun” conspiracy theories.
I have to agree with Screechy Monkey, here–it’s not a conspiracy, though there may be a correlation: I wouldn’t be surprised to find that this judge was on a far-right bigot’s radar because of her assignment to the Deutchebank case (which, in addition to Epstein, also has a good bit of involvement with Trump). It’s not a ‘plot’–it’s the outcome of willfully living in an echo-chamber of right-wing nutjobs, in the same way that a good bit of Islamic terrorism isn’t the result of a directed scheme by a handful of imams, but rather a consequence of extreme rhetoric and the law of big numbers.
Screechy, you make excellent points, and I’m sorry to have provoked your anger. You asked “Enlighten me on how this conspiracy is supposed to work”; I suppose an actual conspiracy theorist would work all this out, running into all the pitfalls and errors you describe. I’m not one, I’m just intensely bothered by an international ring of high-profile child molesters getting away with few if any people brought up on charges, and so, when I see something that looks like it might interfere with that goal, I wonder if the group of them had something to do with events. I don’t elaborate on it, I don’t try to figure out the angles, I just wonder. And I do sometimes focus on that particular goal too much, missing some of these other important goals, at least temporarily. You are correct that conspiracy theories are distracting.
Sackbut,
You’re far from the only person I’ve seen mentioning the Epstein “connection” here [on the internet], so I don’t really blame you specifically, I just used your comment as an excuse to rant.
I think that we all already know the answers to how Epstein et al got away with it (or at least, did for a long time), and it’s all pretty mundane. They had powerful friends and connections. When you’re friends with someone who is connected to the U.S. Attorney, you get a chance to persuade them that this is all overblown, the state prosecutors are out of control, and can’t we all resolve this with a little slap on the wrist and a confidentiality agreement? It’s all done more or less in the open. No smoke filled rooms necessary.
Just like how Jared and Ivanka — among many others — got away with so much under the “watch” of Cy Vance in Manhattan. Nobody needs to do something as blunt and gauche as hand Vance an envelope full of money. It’s just people taking care of other people who are “like” them. (As well as prosecutors’ natural inclination to pick fights with poor defendants who can’t afford good lawyers, and avoid bringing high-profile cases they might lose.)
Sorry, the word “here” doesn’t belong in that first sentence. I meant on the internet generally.
Whew, I did wonder.
Screechy, there’s another thing, too. The fact that most rapists and perpetrators of violence against women and children get away with it. Our society operates to protect them. The likelihood of getting a conviction (if you even get as far as a trial) is apparently extremely low. And we have “don’t want to ruin his career”. “He’s such a nice boy.” “Why was she there in the first place?”
I was surprised Weinstein was convicted. Glad, but surprised. I guess he just wasn’t big enough stuff in Hollywood anymore, and they let him fall to persuade everyone to stop looking at the rest of them. “Nothing to see here, folks, just business as usual in good old Hollywood. Yeah, Harvey. We all condemn Harvey. He’s gone now.”
If we valued women more, things might be different.