“ASSERTION THAT YOU ARE WRONG. ASSERTION THAT YOU ARE WRONG. ASSERTION THAT YOU ARE TRANSPHOBIC. ASSERT…”
Pathetically logic free form of argumentation; it’s like discussing something with a Trump supporter. Worse, a PROFESSOR of PHILOSOPHY engages in exactly the same tactic.
As for the “debunking” of transwomen having an advantage over women, all they can point to is that trans women have not as yet displaced a large number of women, looking solely at the Olympic / World Championship level. Does “not yet” really count as a debunking? And what is the cutoff at which it can be admitted that there is a large enough displacement of women? Again, I just find it amazing that a PROFESSOR of PHILOSOPHY endorses this argument.
And what is the cutoff at which it can be admitted that there is a large enough displacement of women?
It apparently went from “it’s never happened” to “brave and stunning ground breakers “ without any sense that a point had been conceded. My guess is that the transition from “brave and stunning ground breakers” to “so common it’s no longer controversial” will be equally smooth.
BKiSA – I think there is little question we’re hurtling over a cliff; the thing we will discover is whether we have jumped off yet. Are we the roadrunner? Or are we the coyote? Will we know we have jumped off the cliff when we do it, or will that knowledge come too late? And will that help sign do us any good at all?
Yeah. “There isn’t any data” (because nobody has participated under the rules yet) hardly seems the same thing as “years of data.” No data=data. Logic: how does it work?
One of the quotes in it refers to hormone treatments for trans-identified males as “HRT”. I have seen this before, and I think it’s wrong. It’s not replacing lost hormones, it’s adding hormones that were never there in such quantities.
“ASSERTION THAT YOU ARE WRONG. ASSERTION THAT YOU ARE WRONG. ASSERTION THAT YOU ARE TRANSPHOBIC. ASSERT…”
Pathetically logic free form of argumentation; it’s like discussing something with a Trump supporter. Worse, a PROFESSOR of PHILOSOPHY engages in exactly the same tactic.
As for the “debunking” of transwomen having an advantage over women, all they can point to is that trans women have not as yet displaced a large number of women, looking solely at the Olympic / World Championship level. Does “not yet” really count as a debunking? And what is the cutoff at which it can be admitted that there is a large enough displacement of women? Again, I just find it amazing that a PROFESSOR of PHILOSOPHY endorses this argument.
It apparently went from “it’s never happened” to “brave and stunning ground breakers “ without any sense that a point had been conceded. My guess is that the transition from “brave and stunning ground breakers” to “so common it’s no longer controversial” will be equally smooth.
Speaking of ‘years of data’, I just happened to have been reading this this afternoon:
https://fairplayforwomen.com/emma_hilton/
Summer 2020 is where we all find out if we’re hurtling over a cliff…
BKiSA – I think there is little question we’re hurtling over a cliff; the thing we will discover is whether we have jumped off yet. Are we the roadrunner? Or are we the coyote? Will we know we have jumped off the cliff when we do it, or will that knowledge come too late? And will that help sign do us any good at all?
It can’t be true that transwomen will come to dominate women’s sports because that hasn’t happened yet.
That doesn’t seem to be great response to any prediction.
Yeah. “There isn’t any data” (because nobody has participated under the rules yet) hardly seems the same thing as “years of data.” No data=data. Logic: how does it work?
@guest #3
Really good talk, thanks.
One of the quotes in it refers to hormone treatments for trans-identified males as “HRT”. I have seen this before, and I think it’s wrong. It’s not replacing lost hormones, it’s adding hormones that were never there in such quantities.
By coincidence, I just saw a good Lily Maynard post asking a similar question: What exactly is transphobia?
@8 Yes I completely agree–it’s a ridiculous use of the term and it bugs me every time I see it (which fortunately isn’t often).