To register our disquiet
Today in the Times:
https://twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1140140371613224960
Mick Hartley shares the letter:
The LGBT charity Stonewall has a Diversity Champions programme, which UK universities are rushing to associate themselves with, thereby demonstrating their commitment to inclusivity and the battle against transphobia. Hidden away near the bottom of the Sunday Times letters page today, a large number of academics – mostly women – express their concerns:
As academics we are writing to register our disquiet over the inappropriately close relationship between the LGBT charity Stonewall and UK universities, via the Stonewall Diversity Champions programme.
The membership requirements of this programme are in tension with academic freedom. For instance, university members must instigate specialist trans policies, in addition to general equality policies, which outlaw “transphobic” teaching and research material but offer no clear definition of what would count as such.
“Transphobic” and “transphobia” never are clearly defined, are they, probably because if the definition were clearly spelled out, too many people would see how bonkers it is. It’s considered “transphobic” to say [write, teach] that men are not women.
Alongside Stonewall’s definition of transphobia as including any “denial/refusal to accept . . . gender identity”, this leaves academics unable to question the contested notion of “gender identity” without fear of sanction.
That’s no accident. They don’t want us to question the contested notion of “gender identity”; they don’t want “gender identity” to be called a contested notion, we’re supposed to call it an absolute and unquestioned fact.
Equally, Stonewall’s guidance advises against inviting any speaker to a university who would deny “that trans people are the gender they say they are”. This is a further unacceptable restriction upon free academic debate.
You know…this item is one of the things I hate about the dogma the absolute most, this idiotic insistence that what people say they are should never be questioned. That is bullshit. Of course we can question what people say they are! They can get it wrong, and they can lie; they can even do both. They can, we can, everybody can – we can all be wrong about what we are.
People can’t just show up at universities and “say they are” professors and hijack the nearest lecture room. People can’t show up at your house and “say they are” your best friend and invited to dinner. People can’t “say they are” stable geniuses and expect to be listened to with attention and reverence. The whole idea that this is some core principle of enlightened political thinking is a massive con game.
The programme requires staff to undergo “trans awareness training”, during which tendentious and anti-scientific claims are presented to academics as objective fact, without the opportunity for scrutiny: for instance, that “gender is how people interpret and view themselves” and that “1 in 100 are born with an intersex trait”. In our teaching, we’re exhorted to “ask the pronouns” of students. Yet many of us would deny that pronouns refer to an inner feeling of gender identity, and wish to say so.
There are other areas that some of us wish to explore and question, such as the ramifications of Stonewall’s new doctrine that female-attracted trans women, with penises, are “lesbians”; an “affirmation model” for gender-questioning children; and the social changes caused by opening up women-only spaces to self-identified women. It is imperative to interrogate the radical shifts in thinking that all this implies, but we feel inhibited from doing so in the intimidating atmosphere produced by Stonewall’s influence.
We therefore urge Stonewall to clarify that it fully supports academic freedom of thought. Failing this, we ask universities to sever their links with this organisation altogether.
Signed by:
Prof Kathleen Stock, University of Sussex; Dr Katie Alcock, Lancaster University; Dr Sophie Allen, Keele University; Prof Rosemary Auchmuty, University of Reading; Dr Michael Biggs, University of Oxford; Prof John Collins, University of East Anglia; Dr Madeleine Davies, University of Reading; Sarah Davies, University of Salford; Prof Catharine Edwards, Birkbeck; Prof Debbie Epstein, Roehampton University; Prof Rosa Freedman, University of Reading; Prof Leslie Green, University of Oxford; Sarah Honeychurch, University of Glasgow; Sian Hindle, Birmingham City University; Dr Chloe Houston, University of Reading; Dr Susan Matthews, Roehampton University; Dr Ruth McGinity, University College London; Michele Moore, University of Essex; Dr Kath Murray, University of Edinburgh; Dr Deirdre O’Neill, Brunel University; Christine Peacock, University of Salford; Dr Marian Peacock, Edge Hill University; Prof Jo Phoenix, Open University; Dr Laetitia Pichevin, University of Edinburgh; Dr Jon Pike, The Open University; Dr Eva Poen, University of Exeter; Kathleen Richardson, De Montfort University; Prof Sophie Scott, University College London; Dr Holly Smith, University College London; Prof Judith Suissa, University College London; Prof Alice Sullivan, University College London; Selina Todd, University of Oxford; Dr Mary Turner, University of Huddersfield; Dr Stuart Waiton, Abertay University; Professor David Pilgrim, University of Liverpool
And how many of the vocal proponents of self ID are actually part of this group? TRAs use the rare intersex condition as a “gotcha” against GC feminists, and to take advantage of the “assigned ____ at birth” vocabulary for their own agenda, and otherwise seem to care little about actual intersex people. Kinda like how some atheists would decry the subjugation of women under Islam, and use that fact as a bludgeon against the Muslim religion, but care very little about actual women within atheist organizations.
Every time I see an effort like this it gives me a bit of hope, seeing that people in England, including academics, are pushing back.
But it seems to me every time I have hope, it gets dashed, because people you thought capable of listening act like they can’t understand what Stock et al are saying. And then they double down and make it worse.
YNNB–
Very true. Intersexuality is irrelevant to transgenderism unless your claim is that being transgender is itself an intersex condition–and few trans activists make that claim, because it would require evidence, and furthermore would tie claims of trans-ness to objectively observable standards.
It it’s a slight-of-hand that apparently impresses the scientifically naive. There’s even a “Voices” (opinion, I assume) column in the latest Scientific American that makes this argument. It goes like this: “The process of mammalian sexual differentiation is complex”–>”Intersex people exist”–>”ergo, Trans women are women.” It’s all so science-truthy.
As a matter of fact, though, Stonewall is lying about their red herring here. Defining “intersex” and quantifying the number of intersex people is complicated, but the number is almost certainly orders of magnitude lower than “1 in 100”–unless of course you’re using Anne Fausto-Sterling’s ever so scientific definition, “[an] individual who deviates from the Platonic ideal of physical dimorphism at the chromosomal, genital, gonadal, or hormonal levels.”
http://www.leonardsax.com/how-common-is-intersex-a-response-to-anne-fausto-sterling/
A reasoned and concise summary of a threat to academic freedom… surely no one could object to this!
Interestingly, those trans people who take the step of sex reassignment surgery are in fact making themselves intersexed.
And isn’t the whole bloody point about ‘intersex’ individuals the need to protect them from being subject to surgical interventions to ‘assign’ them to a guessed-at gender when they are still too young to have a say in the matter?
So, having ambiguously presenting genitals is NOT a licence for adult interference. But playing with trucks/dolls or liking blue/pink IS?
Oh, but there is no ambiguity in playing with the trucks and liking blue – or dolls and liking pink! Those are scientifically established to be true, essential gender traits!
So what about the person who plays with trucks and likes pink? Or plays with dolls and likes blue? You automatically assume they are which ever one is the opposite of their biological sex, because, well, because we must be supportive of transgender, that’s why! And bite me, that’s why! And you are a TERF, that’s why!
[…] but that’s not the position taken in the letter, now is it. Naughty. Of course the letter doesn’t advocate an educational environment full of harassment and […]
‘In our teaching, we’re exhorted to “ask the pronouns” of students. Yet many of us would deny that pronouns refer to an inner feeling of gender identity, and wish to say so.’
So to clarify, are you calling for lecturers to be allowed to insist on referring to an individual trans man as ‘she’ or trans woman as ‘he’ over their expressed objections? It’s obvious to me that academics should be able to defend whatever ideas they like in their academic work about what gender really metaphysically is*. But it’s not obvious to me that they should be able to do this (though it’s not obvious to me they shouldn’t.) Analogously, I think Islam (like all religions) is bollocks, but I’m not sure there should be no restrictions on telling individual Muslim students that they are evil people for being Muslims.
*(*spoiler* There probably isn’t a fact of the matter answer here because words mean what we use them to mean and in current society some people use ‘man’ to cover ‘people of male sex’ and other people use it to cover ‘people of male sex who are not trans women and trans men’, and so it’s probably just indeterminate what the literal truth-value of ‘trans men are men’ is. I think the debate is really best construed as a debate about how we *should* talk, not as a debate about the literal truth-value of ‘trans women are women’ or ‘trans men are men’, unpopular as the view is on both “sides”. Why? Because it’s clear that what settles the latter is what people are currently disposed to do with words, but the dispute between gender critical folk and Stonewall is not about what patterns of usage of words exist amongst current speakers of English)
Why do you say “So to clarify, are you calling for lecturers to be allowed to insist on referring to an individual trans man as ‘she’ or trans woman as ‘he’ over their expressed objections?”? I didn’t write the letter.
That aside, do you think anyone actually advocates “telling individual Muslim students that they are evil people for being Muslims”? Surely the analogy should be to “discussing with Muslim students along with all the other students in the class the flaws in Islam” or something like that. A teacher who advocates telling individual Muslim students that they are evil people for being Muslims sounds like a mythical being.
You could still give a yes or no answer. Why didn’t you?
Why didn’t you answer the questions I asked?
This isn’t a courtroom, I’m not a defendant, you’re not a prosecutor; I don’t have to give a yes or no answer to a stupid tendentious loaded question. I think your question is badly worded and framed in a loaded way.
You could have answered my questions. Why didn’t you?