They have been in the trenches for too long
Meanwhile the more humdrum forms of oppression and silencing continue.
Vancouver Rape Relief and Women’s Shelter has no right to public funds or grants say trans activists, arguing that’s because the shelter won’t provide services to trans women.
The shelter is up for a community service grant, which they have received in the past.
But trans activist Morgane Oger says the shelter shouldn’t qualify for city grants because it denies services to trans women.
Morgane Oger, a man who Identifies As a woman, is working hard to get funding taken away from a women’s shelter because it doesn’t provide services to men who Identify As women. I think it’s pretty safe to say Morgan Oger hates women.
“If Vancouver rape relief were to be looking for federal funding, they would be denied on the basis of their actions,” Oger adds. “An organization that discriminates against people on the basis of fundamentally protective rights should always be denied public taxpayers funding. Whether it’s in the form of charity receipts or indirect funding.”
So I guess that means – according to Oger – that women can’t have anything that’s for women only? And that if they try he will do his best to get it taken away from them?
Oger says a small group of speakers will attend Wednesday’s council meeting to voice their concerns and ask staff to reconsider giving VRR a community services grant.
“I do understand that they have fought since day one for women’s rights and sometimes people that have been in the trenches, they have been in the trenches for too long,” says Oger.
Wow. Yeah, those old hags have been there too long, shut them down to make way for hot young men who Identify As women.
And it worked; Oger got his way:
Vancouver Rape Relief & Women’s Shelter says it would sooner turn down important funding from the City of Vancouver than change its policies, which currently exclude trans people from many of its services.
City hall heard a number of heated presentations Wednesday night, during which trans people spoke against the organization receiving renewed funding from the city. Councillor Sarah Kirby-Yung made a proposal, which passed on Thursday, that will compel the anti-violence support group to open up all of its services to include trans people or not get funding from the city.
“Trans people” – so women can’t have women’s shelters any more, at least in Vancouver, because they have to be for women and trans people now. So if a man wants access to a woman who is trying to escape him, all he has to do is go to the women’s shelter where she has taken refuge and say he identifies as a woman. Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.
Kirby-Yung made the proposal — which came in the form of an amendment to an existing motion on grants — because she wants trans people to feel welcome and included.
“I am personally concerned that they’re limiting their services to focus on women who are born biologically women at birth, and not wanting to provide a full suite of services to trans women or other people who identify as women,” she said.
So I wonder why Kirby-Yung thinks it’s more important for trans women and “other people who identify as women” to feel welcome and included than it is for women to feel and be safe. I wonder why Kirby-Yung thinks it’s so urgent for men who identify as women to have cuddly happy feels than it is for actual women to escape violent men.
Updating to add the tweet that alerted me to the story this morning:
i've just donated to vancouver rape relief and women's shelter – @VanRapeRelief. if you want to help make sure they're not affected by the loss of city funding (a result of trans activist bullying), & you have the means, you can do the same. https://t.co/Q7kD9sJ1BU
— A/Prof Holly Lawford-Smith (@aytchellesse) March 15, 2019
The trans debate certainly makes for some strange bedfellows. The following is a Republican making sense, and a rebuttal by everybody’s favourite shock-blogger, one PZ Myers.
Talk about not getting it!
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2019/03/12/some-good-news-kinda-from-the-upper-midwest/
So, men who identify as women, women who identify as men, and those who identify as women part-time. Just throw open the doors, why don’t you?
(emph. mine) What ‘other’ people? Have the woke discovered a new class of would-be women that is yet to be named? Ubertrans? Or is it a tacit admission that some who identify as women are not trans but just in it for shits and giggles (and access to the vulnerable), but still must be taken at their word?
I have sympathy for anyone who has been the victim of violence no matter their gender (or biological sex). But I have been a victim of that sort of violence, and I just can’t…I really can’t…
Perhaps the answer is to set up a shelter for trans women and men who identify as women to get the same sort of services, with the same quality, the same funding, and a safe space for both biological women who are terrified of male bodied people, at least for the time, and the trans-identified who genuinely need help, rather than force those who just want to remove safe spaces for women to push their way into women-only spaces. A center for trans-identified people would have the added benefit of thoroughly understanding the unique circumstances involved in this particular situation where there may be an added transphobia issue.
But the activists are not people who need these services, are they? They are people who want to force these services to take people who are not in their target population, and pretend they are in their target population merely because they say they are. Thereby potentially putting the wellbeing of all their clients at risk.
Morgane Ogre
snerk
1):
Yes.
2)
HELL YES.
If it was really a matter of trying to extend services to people in need of them, Oger would be calling for choice 1) above, not choice 2). Why do I get the feeling that in this case choice 2) is the more important in Oger’s mind? It certainly speaks to the tone-deafness of trans activists that they are more interested in promulgating the unquestioned acceptance of TRANSWOMEN ARE WOMEN IN ALL WAYS, SHAPES AND FORMS. FULL STOP, than in actually trying to establish resources and institutions that will cater to their specific and different needs. It’s the denial that their needs are specific and different that extreme trans activists are trying to force on everyone else. Unfortunately there are enough people who will accept these ideological assertions, that they can ruin things for established resources for the specific and different needs of women. This allows trans activists like Oger to attempt to extort their way into pre-existing structures and take over (What, you think once they’re in trans activists will quietly sit down and pull together for all women? Check women’s sports lately? Check the language policing that erases mention of women’s bodies and bodily functions lately? Remember: pussy hats are hurtful and exclusionary.) without having to do the hard work of creating mechanisms and resources from the ground up. If they can’t have their way, they’re seemingly happy to burn it all down and dance around the fire, celebrating another victory over TERFdom. What does this remind me of? Maybe I’m being overly dramatic, but it reminds me of men who tell the women in their lives (who are trying to leave, to go to shelters and crisis centers) “If I can’t have you, then nobody can.” That scene never ends well for women.
Wasn’t going to go there, but now that someone else has paved the way, I’ll follow the path. Almost Dickensian. If you made it up, nobody would believe you.
Sure, they could work to create, organize, and fund their own services. But come on! I’m tired just imagining how much effort that must take. No, it’s much easier to barge into the places other people have broken their backs to build.
Well, it’s just so unfair that “Wimmins health services” won’t give me a prostate test. I’m not gay. I don’t want a man putting his finger up my bum. But a woman? OH YEAH BABY!!!!
/sarc
Just like Men’s Rights Activists–which of course they are. Can’t be arsed to get to work and create their own shelters. The point isn’t trans-identified people’s safety. It certainly isn’t women’s safety. It’s “But what about the
men(totally not-a-man) MEEEE?”But, Roj, transwomen are biological women, and biological women don’t have prostates. They have…oh, I dunno…..rectal clits, or some such, and there is no such thing as rectal clit cancer. So there you have it, no fingers up the botty for transwomen. Well, not doctors’ fingers, anyhow.
Aside from the way they treated you in 2015, Ophelia, it was realizing these men who identify as women would be so callous and cruel as to fight against the interests of vulnerable women this way that finally put me off “gender identity.”
SOP for the trans rights movement: Men’s feelings always trump women’s safety.
It sure as hell is off-putting, isn’t it.
Uh huh. Not allowing males to play on girls’ teams would trump the civil rights of all Americans everywhere.
He’s not even trying anymore. Though I suppose with his followers, he doesn’t have to. He could use a random Woke Heuristics generator and keep that lot satisfied.