The Fair Cop campaign
Andrew Gilligan in the Sunday Times:
People warned by the police over comments they made about transgender issues are launching a pressure group and legal action next week, challenging “Big Brother interference” with their free speech rights.
The Fair Cop campaign is headed by Harry Miller, 54, from Lincolnshire, who was visited at work in January by Humberside police for retweeting a limerick that said trans women had silicone breasts. The force admitted there was no crime, but described it as a “hate incident” and said it would be monitoring Miller’s and his wife’s social media accounts.
Others involved include the Father Ted writer Graham Linehan, who was given a police warning after getting into a row with a trans activist on Twitter; the journalist Caroline Farrow, who was threatened with an interview under caution for “misgendering” a trans person; and Kate Scottow, who was arrested in front of her children and held in a cell for seven hours after referring to a transgender woman as a man.
Police telling people that men are women and it’s a crime to deny it. I know I keep saying this but isn’t it funny how women have never had this level of police concern over actual threats and sustained abuse, while now mere “misgendering” merits an interview under caution.
The force defended its action against Miller as “proportionate” and said it had spoken to him after being passed “more than 30 tweets of a transphobic nature, not just a liked or retweeted limerick”. These included tweets saying that trans women were not women.
See that’s the thing. The police are using the Woke-Twitter definition of “transphobia,” which includes Wrong Pronouns and statements of fact such as “men are not women” and “men can’t be lesbians.” That’s…not phobic.
[For US readers – a “fair cop” is a legit collar; often followed by “guvnor.”]
With this sort of prioritization of the allocation of police resources, it’s only a matter of time before they start sending out the flying squad for grammar and punctuation errors, and calling in the Special Branch for people squeezing their toothpaste tubes in the middle instead of from the end.
Yeah, but those bastards that squeeze the middle of the tube have it coming…
Why should Twiiter get to have all the misogynist hypocracy to itself?
The Humberside Police service’s motto is “Proudly Working to Build Safer and Stronger Communities,” though if they continue to follow Twitter’s lead, we’ll see its vehicles emblazoned with their new slogan, “Shut the fuck up, TERF.”*
*Which is, according to Twitter, BOTH a bannable offence, AND a totally legitimate comment in the context of lots of conversations. The way the wave function collapses is completely dependent on the degree of wokeness of the sender and recipient, as judged by Twitter algorithms, based on prior posts. And who has, and doesn’t have, a penis.
I am genuinely baffled. How on earth can a police force that complains about inadequate resources to address rising incidence of stabbings possibly have the resources to take up utter nonsense like this? Retweeting? Regardless of content, how the fuck can that be a police matter? Tweeting? Again, how the hell does that compare to stabbing?
Yeah, and when are the cops gonna come after those folks who put the toilet paper on the roll wrong?
I’ll accept the risk of jackbooted agents of the law kicking my door in and guess that the “correct” direction is unrolling from the top, “out” towards the person pulling it out. as opposed to rolling “in” towards the wall and away from the user? One always hopes to be right in this manner of thing, as to be found lacking, different or somehow deviant can lead to akward situations and social ostracism.
Here I must confess to several years’ worth of heretically loaded bathroom stationery. Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa. Just like sinners everywhere, I try to rationlize my departure from orthodoxy. Please, hear me out. Turn not away. There were mitigating circumstances. Honest.
We had at that time in our household, a particular cat who had discovered the play value of unrolling the toilet paper when it was installed in what had been, hitherto, the normal, correct mode of deployment, rolling off the top, away from the wall. We’ve had five cats over the years and he was the only one who learned this trick, or at least got a kick out of it, take your pick. Our toilet paper would be unspooled over the floor like the sad, shredded remains of some poor, disemboweled player piano. Amusing as it was, as he was not actually contributing to paying for the toilet paper, we felt it was within our rights to change our way of doing things, and we did so, thus curtailing his fun. Cruel, perhaps, but necessary.
He was with us for much too short a time. He had been born with a little time bomb for a heart. With his premature demise, we sadly turned our toilet paper rolls back to their former, normal, correct direction.
YYNB, that is a beautiful story. *wipes tear*
Mermaids has been involved in training the police in those areas, AFAIK. The cops up high in the chain want to be seen as LGBT friendly, and TRAs are big into “let’s make use of our boys’ club connections to get things done our way”. It’s supposed to be PR, but ends up being deadly serious. I am still boggled at the poor woman held for 7 hours. I am hoping to read about the massive payout she gets for wrongful imprisonment or whatever.
TRAs running around shouting OPPRESSION!!! and SUICIDAL IDEATION!!! has been very effective; they have built up a lot of support from people who don’t consider or care if any of this is bad for women.
The refusal to treat women’s concerns and complaints seriously, and to come down hard when complaints are made about them shows misogyny is ingrained deep in people.
TERF is a slur the same as suffragette was.
I enjoy pineapple and anchovies on pizza, at the same time.
*sirens*
I recently got banned from a social media site for saying that trans women are trans women, and that they are biologically male. The mind boggles.
Not…. quite.
A fair cop is when a criminal admits that they are bang to rights.
I hope that clears things up.
Thank you.
The recent case where a woman was charged with filing a false/frivolous complaint who was subsequently murdered by the same man she’d been complaining about comes to mind…
When God closes a door, He opens a window.
not Bruce, #1
Oh, boy! My dream job. Which brings me to
and
The correct way of writing the spoken contraction of ‘governor’ is ‘guv’nor’ (often further contracted to a mere ‘guv.’). No further action will be taken at this time, but a future offence may result in arrest.
True story: many years ago, I got so fed-up with the on-going toilet roll wars – with the family split fifty-fifty on the ‘correct’ orientation, and me not caring either way as long as the person who used the last of a roll replaced it – that I took matters into my own hands when the opportunity arose.
When redecorating the bathroom, I simply hung the holder vertically, thus creating a ‘Schroedinger’s’ roll holder, unrolling the paper both towards and away from the wall at the same time. Thankfully, nobody thought to begin battling over whether the roll should be pulled from the left or right.
Ach I actually typed it “guv’nor” then thought it looked funny and wasn’t sure and didn’t take the time to Google it. THE SHAME.
And speaking of police action over “misgendering,” I see this morning that Twitter has banned RAY BLANCHARD for tweeting his research.
The coup is nearly complete.
Good morning.
I am afraid this laughable campaign by Miller is due to fail.
Let’s start from the beginning. On 23 January 2019, Miller was contacted by Humberside Police over comments he made on his Twitter account. There were over THIRTY that were reported to Humberside. His first comment: “The director had sense now to give out my number…” is proof that he has got something to hide. When the police finally caught up with him, Miller claimed that the officer in question – PC Mansoor Gul – “quoted a limerick” at him as proof of his transphobic behaviour. That is a barefaced lie as PC Gul NEVER mentioned the limerick to Miller – and why would he when there were over thirty other transphobic tweets to go at? From that, Miller got his cronies – people like you lot – to bombard the police with vitriolic abuse, reducing the civilian staff at Humberside Police to tears.
There’s a word to describe their behaviour: Scumbags.
From that, Miller then made a complaint to his local force – Lincolnshire – about the actions of another police force. You read that right. This man complained to one police force about the actions of another police force. Quite rightly, Lincolnshire Police treated his complaint with the contempt it deserved and put it in the bin. His subsequent complaints and appeals to Humberside Police have met with the same deserved response.
So, today, after piggybacking onto other cases which had nothing to do with him – as does the proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act – he decides to hand out his begging bowl to ask for funds to take action against Humberside Police or calling him out on his harassment of transgender people. (And the proof of what I said is all there on Miller’s Twitter account. Indeed, he has been warned TWICE by Twitter for violating their rules on hateful conduct which are clear breaches of their Terms of Service.)
A bit of background information. Harry Miller is a very wealthy man. He is a successful businessman. £25,000 is loose change to someone like him. SO WHY IS HE HOLDING OUT THE BEGGING BOWL TO FUND THIS COURSE OF ACTION? Is he that scared to put his money where his mouth is? He is taking you for mugs. Do you honestly think he is going to win? See, if you take on the police there is only ever going to be one winner. And it is not going to be Miller.
Other crowd funding campaigns by transphobes – sorry, Gender Criticals – have ended in acrimony, alleged misuse of funds and outright fraud. In the case of Maya Forstatter, it does NOT cost £60,000 to launch a tribunal case – more like a SIXTH of that – so where is the rest of the money going? Is it to pay for a new mattress for her bed, I wonder? Also, her claims are outright lies. The position she held at the Centre for Global Development was an UNPAID one and all she was told, quite rightly, was that her contract was not going to be renewed after she made that disgusting (if it had been about a ethnic minority person or a gay person the police would have got involved) and factually incorrect comment.
In short, Forstatter has not got a leg to stand on, legally or otherwise.
And this is why Miller’s campaign will be doomed to failure.
Harry Miller, like the rest of you, is entitled to his opinion. No one is disputing that – not even transgender people. What he is NOT entitled to do is use that opinion to harass, intimidate or direct hatred at another human being. THAT IS THE LAW. Article 10 of the ECHR states this clearly: “The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.”
(Little tip. When quoting an article of law, quote the WHOLE article – not just the bit which appeals to you.)
And there is clear evidence of Miller’s harassment of others as well. He seems to have a bee in his bonnet about ADRIAN HARROP, just because Dr Harrop supports trans rights, and a fixation on LILY MADIGAN, which is obscene given Ms Madigan is only 21 and Miller is 53…
And these claims by Miller that he is an ex-policeman. There is NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to back this up. And bear in mind that, if he was an ex-policeman, he’d know how the police operate. In the Armed Forces, there is a term to describe those who claim to have served Queen and Country when they clearly haven’t: Walter Mitty. Miller is a Walter Mitty type by that measurement.
And his claims to be a feminist. How many women does he employ at his firm? How many women – outside of his family – does he socialise with on a regular basis? He’s not interested in women’s rights. He is a bigot looking for his next target to attack.
So, to soothe this man’s rather gargantuan ego trip, feel free to throw your dole money at him by all means. A trip to Australia to see his daughter is not that cheap, you know.
By the way, trans women ARE women; trans men ARE men. That is the law and there is f*** all any of you simpletons can do about it.
Parody?
Poe. I can’t tell.
I can’t either.
Troll, apparently.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/160863017914526711/
So, I’m a troll for basically pointing out why this campaign of Miller’s is going to fail badly?
Can’t handle the truth, can you?
By the way, Miller had only three months to bring an action against the police. Three months from JANUARY. It is now MAY. In other words, he’s too late. But if you all want to contribute your dole money towards someone who is a very wealthy man then feel free to do so. He’s taking you for mugs.
Well, not just that, no; there are other tips. There’s the name, for one…
It’s always amusing to see what other ideologies and bigotries peek out from a rant like that. For example, the recurring references to “dole money” as an insult: “people who disagree with me must be on welfare, which means they suck hur hur hur.” The belief that when you go up against the police, the police always win legally, and that is awesome and right and proper. The claim, with complete certainty, that a police officer’s version of a conversation with a civilian must be the accurate account. The notion that it is “obscene” to engage in public debate with a 21-year-old woman, even if on the same terms that they do with any other adult, and that such a person should be smeared with innuendo for doing so. All interesting attitudes for a supposed liberal.
Yes. Also “all she was told, quite rightly, was that her contract was not going to be renewed after she made that disgusting (if it had been about a ethnic minority person or a gay person the police would have got involved) and factually incorrect comment.” Which disgusting comment? What was disgusting about it? Ahhh that’s a secret.
It’s always amusing to see what other ideologies and bigotries peek out from you, Screechy Monkey.
“Dole money” was not meant to be an insult. Let’s be honest here, Miller is a wealthy man. He’s a successful businessman. £25,000 is loose change to him. So why are you funding his legal fees? I would wager that some of you are in receipt of State benefit.
As for the police, I’d like to see YOU go up against the police and see if you come off best. Clue. You won’t. Mansoor Gul’s account of events is backed up by his superiors. Are you saying they’re lying? And why were Miller’s appeals dismissed if they had any foundation to them? Assistant Chief Constable Scott Young called Miller a “transphobe”. THAT IS BECAUSE HE IS. THE PROOF IS THERE. Which part of that don’t you understand?
And here is the proof you haven’t got a clue what you are talking about and a nothing more than a bigoted coward. You think it is right and proper that a 53 year old man can harass and intimidate a 21 year old woman? A vulnerable 21 year old woman? Do you? Don’t come out with the rubbish that it was “public debate” – it was NOTHING OF THE SORT. Ms Madigan reported these comments of Miller to Humberside Police. And, again, he was spoken to.
Come back at me, Screechy, when you know what you are talking about.
Hilarious to see people who think they’re progressive saying “I’d like to see you challenge THE POLICE you benefits-scrounging weaklings.”
Well, go on then, Ophelia.
Challenge the police. Let’s see how far you get.
By the way, this was the comment that saw Forstater’s contract not being renewed, dated on Twitter September 25 2018:
“Yes, I think that male people are not women. I don’t think being a woman/female is a matter of identity or womanly feelings. It is biology…”
Now, Ophelia, substitute the words “male people” and “women” for “black people” and “human beings” and you can see where the problem is. Add on the fact that biology is not her strong point, and I suspect it isn’t yours, and you can see how ridiculous her statement is and why her contract was not renewed. She was NOT fired.
And ask yourself this. How much does an Employment Tribunal in the UK cost? Certainly not £60,000. Not even with solicitors fees. So where has the money gone? I believe, from what I have been told, on new mattresses… Also, NO Employment Tribunal will find in her favour for the following reasons:
1. The position was unpaid – she was a visiting fellow – so no loss of earnings.
2. Her contract was not renewed, that is to say she was NOT sacked.
3. The managers at the Centre for Global Development would have consulted their legal team thoroughly before not renewing her contract.
4. Her comment was deemed offensive enough – as well as being rooted in ignorance – to warrant such action.
5. Her comment would have brought the CGD into disrepute and left it wide open to possible legal action.
For your information, Ophelia – and forgive me for saying this but you look more “male” than any trans woman I know – trans women ARE women. That is the law. That is the actual reality, copperbottomed by specialists in this field ie people who know more about this than you or I.
So, please, take on the police. Be my guest.
You will lose.
Along with the “progressives” who think it’s cool to joke about beating up mouthy women.
“I don’t think male people are women.”
“I don’t think black people are human.”
Apart from their obvious syntactic similarity, why should we believe these two sentences are equally true or equally inflammatory?
“I don’t think male people are potatoes.”
Why is that sentence trivial? Is it just because there are no male people saying they are potatoes?
And who has joked about “beating up mouthy women”, Ben? Who?
Evidence?
Is it possible you’re unaware of this kind of thing? If you tell me you don’t care about it, I’ll believe you. But to claim you’re unfamilar with it?
https://terfisaslur.com
Oh, that?
Well, tell me why those trans woman saw fit to do that? Were they fed up with the dog’s abuse they were getting off said “TERFs” for merely existing? The harassment? The abuse? The intimidation? Being told they’re not women when they clearly ARE? Don’t tell me YOU joined in with the abuse as well?
Well, Ben? Who started it?
Because it wasn’t the trans women. And, no, I don’t care about it because the “TERFs” started it. Ever heard of “provocation”? An admissible defence in a Court of Law.
When saying “I don’t think male people can be women” is construed as abuse/violence/hatred, that creates a lot of hateful, violent abusers. Hateful, violent abusers who need to be put down because “they started it.”
You frighten me.
“I don’t think male people are women.”
“I don’t think black people are human.”
Apart from their obvious syntactic similarity, why should we believe these two sentences are equally true or equally inflammatory?
“I don’t think male people are potatoes.”
Why is that sentence trivial? Is it just because there are no male people saying they are potatoes?”
Because, Ben, in law, they are BOTH equally inflammatory. Racism is an offence punishable under law and so is transphobia.
The law doesn’t care for your “beliefs”.
Sorry. I get it now. It’s a parody account. Feeling stupid today.
“Hateful, violent abusers”?
That’s like the school bully beating up someone and saying they started it by not giving him their dinner money.
You do realise how stupid you’re looking here, Ben?
I’ll ask you a question. Are transgender people entitled to defend themselves from abuse or harassment? Yes or no?
And this most definitely is NOT a “parody account”.
You have just made yourself look very very stupid, Ben…
When did you stop beating your wife? *snigger*
I was wondering why this post had over double the normal amount of comments.
You’ll have to define your terms here.
Are we allowed to beat people up for saying things we don’t like? No.
I’m not allowed to beat you up if you call me a bad word. You’re not allowed to beat me up for calling you a bad word.
Are people allowed to use physical force to defend themselves from bodily injury or death? Yes.
And, no, I don’t believe that saying, “I don’t think male people can be women” constitutes a threat of bodily injury or death.
I think I might look stupid just because I keep taking the bait.
OK. Saying “I don’t think male people can be women” is not a threat of bodily injury or death. Fair point.
But.
There are those out there who wish to harm transgender people who will be given credence by those words.
Now I asked you a question: Are transgender people entitled to defend themselves from abuse or harassment? Simple answer. Yes or no?
And no, one is NOT allowed to use violence when someone has called them a bad word. But these are not just bad words, Ben. This is incitement to hatred. Against the law in this country.
Try harder.
Why do I get the feeling that everything you say is an exercise in bad faith?
I think I’m going to go try harder somewhere else.
… because “die TERF” and “I punch TERFs” isn’t incitement… It’s preemptive self-defense… /s
Because I’m a pedant and can’t let it go, I’ll just say that this @ 26 –
is ridiculous. The parallel to “men are not women” would not be “black people are not human,” it would be “white people are not black people.” And it would be true, and non-offensive, and in fact platitudinous and silly unless the conversation were about Rachel Dolezal.
Anyway. I still think “Beaks McEagle – Legal Beagle” is a troll, and has delighted us long enough.
Beaks
This was already noted in the OP, and it doesn’t change the issue at all. Legally, there is no difference between making one or thirty or a million tweets, provided they are not incitements to violence, slanderous, or part of a campaign of harassment against someone. It also helps that statements like “women don’t have penises” are true.
No it doesn’t, that’s not proof of a damn thing given what I stated above.
…Substantiation of these claims please. The first sounds like knowledge only available to those present, and the second sounds like pure bullshit.
Harassing is bad, you heard it here first folks! This applies to the tirade of “Die TERFS!” and similar aimed at feminists by trans activists, right?
…Jesus, the rest is just a morass of insinuation and well-poisoning. What does it matter that the guy is rich and yet is looking for additional crowdsourcing? Or that other campaigns allegedly misuse monies obtained? These are not evidence based critiques of the Fair Cop campaign, they are scurrilous rumourmongering.
I don t believe that either pineapple or anchovies should be allowed on pizza*.
Now change ‘pineapple or anchovies’ for ‘black or brown people’, and ‘pizza’ for ‘Earth’, and…….
What a bullshit argument! One can substitute words in pretty much any statement to make it look bigoted. Another example: I love my wife. Now, just change ‘love’ to ‘hate’ and ‘wife’ to ‘women’.
See the problem with your ‘argument by word-substitution’, Beagle? It can make anything look as good or bad as the dishonest shit employing said technique wishes to make it look. One can only with the actual words said, not the words that one pretends are said.
Now, as for your childish insult towards Ophelia; are you really claiming that because not all women look like the girls with staples through their middles in the magazines that clearly constitute the sum of your experience with women, then transwomen are women? You clearly have a lot of growing up to do, young man.
*I’m sorry for the violence, Holms.
Poe’s law applies just as well to transgenderism as to religious fundamentalism, but I do think Beaks is a troll, not a true believer.
Good effort, though, Beaks. More appeals to pity, a bit more raw hatred for “TERFS”, and you’ll have it down.
Oh, and
. So where has the money gone? […] on new mattresses… What’s this? Inconsistency? One mattress or many? But now, let’s look at what I snipped from that last quote:
‘dat you, Donald?
By saying that, you have given up any pretense at being progressive. You may as well admit it and sod off for all the traction you will get from here on.
I am male, and I am a potato.
QED, Beaks!
#48: King Edward?
I’m Ian Guy. I’m a freelance journalist working for a number of newspapers here in the UK.
On 31 January this year, I interviewed PC Mansoor Gul and ACC Scott Young about the Miller affair. I asked Gul directly whether he had mentioned that limerick to Harry Miller. He flatly denied it. Not just denied it. Flatly denied it. All calls to and from Humberside Police are recorded, by the way. Scott Young backed him up having listened to a recording of the call. Obtaining clearance under the Freedom of Information Act, I saw the tweets that were sent to the police about Miller. Thirty two there were. All full of incitement, intimidation and harassment of transgender people. in particular, the harassment of a 21 year old female by the name of LILY MADIGAN.
So, “Holms”. That’s you proven wrong, mate.
You then say, “No it doesn’t, that’s not proof of a damn thing given what I stated above.” about the director not giving out his number. I don’t know if you have heard of this in your little bubble but that is called obstructing a police officer in the course of his/her lawful duty. It also points at Miller having something to hide. After all, why wouldn’t you give out a phone number when asked to by the police?
That’s shown you to be totally ignorant of the law.
Furthermore, I also have evidence of Miller’s mates bombarding Humberside Police and the PCC with mindless vitriolic abuse. So, what do you have to say about that, “Holms”?
As for the “Terf is a slur” thing. I’ve seen it and I am not condoning it at all. That said, I would bet my house that those trans women have been subject to the most awful abuse by said “Terfs” and they have snapped. Of course, you “Holms” have shown your true colours, mate, by revealing yourself to be a transphobic bigot. Aren’t trans people allowed to defend themselves now? Well, “Holms”?
It appears that Miller is now crowd funding to take this to court. I ask you why would you contribute to something which has no chance of success? Also, Miller, being a successful businessman, is a wealthy individual. Do you not think he could have used his own money for this? And I have evidence of clear misuse of funds and outright fraud that other crowd funding campaigns by “Gender Criticial” people have committed – one in particular where the recipient of the funds was quizzed by Merseyside Police as to where the money had gone.
So, “Holms”, before you start mouthing off and showing what a moron you are, do some research. OK?
Aw, I turn my back for five minutes and you all get a troll to play with!
Not fair.
Sometimes it is more entertaining to come into these things late after the dust has settled.
Yes, that was my favourite part.
Good work, everyone, but this blog is becoming way too pineapple-friendly for all good-hearted people.
The fact my comment is STILL awaiting moderation shows that transphobes have no qualms about adopting the mantra of the far right and not allowing anything that disagrees with their world view…
This site is nothing more than an echo chamber. Professes to hate Donald Trump yet is more dictatorial than he is in not allowing dissenting views.
Proponents of “free speech”? You’re having a laugh!
Well, you have to admit, Beaks really did do us all a service in finally giving us the definition of “transphobe”:
transphobe, noun, Person who the police deem a transphobe
Hahahahahahahahaha Ian Guy –
@ 53 – your comment was STILL awaiting moderation because I was busy with other things, such as sleep. I’m not on UK time.
Also, where do you get this ‘Proponents of “free speech”?’ bollocks?
Also, @ 50 – no you’re not and no you didn’t. You’re just Beagle Eeks again.
Bye.
Honestly Beeks is hilarious. He’s a freelance journalist working for a number of newspapers here in the UK whose byline can’t be found. Sure he is.
Well, you have to admit he really nailed you with that “you believe in free speech and yet you have a comment moderation policy.” I had thought that little jibe went out of style around 2005, but sometimes the classics are classics for a reason.
Related:
https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha
You know, I used to think that OJ Simpson was guilty of murder, but now I just realized something.
When he entered his plea, he didn’t just deny it. He FLATLY denied it. A person can’t FLATLY DENY things that are true.
A) I can’t find a single article written by an “Ian Guy” on this topic. Or any topic, for any paper. Can you point to even a single story authored by “Ian Guy”? …I don’t think this new alias is very believable, Beaks.
B) Even if I could find the name Ian Guy attached to any such story, so what? It is pretty clear that you, Beaks, simply switched tactics when you saw that your earlier approach was going nowhere. You could easily have taken the name of a real world person and claimed to be them.
C) Even if you genuinely were freelance journalist Ian Guy, so fucking what? What does that prove? Even taking you at your word regarding the supposed interview with Gul, all that ‘proves’ is that Gul denied mentioning the limerick. Maybe he forgot… or lied? And given your track record of obvious trolling and then alias switching, I would definitely need to see evidence before taking you at your word.
“Not just denied it. Flatly denied it.” Oh my god how precious. Do you know who this reminds me of? Trump talking to Putin and Bin Salman, with their “strong” denials of meddling / murdering.
Cool, let’s see them then. You also claim to have evidence of “Miller’s mates bombarding Humberside Police and the PCC with mindless vitriolic abuse.” As for “What do [I] have to say about that”: show us.
However, I am thrilled to be the one that nettled you badly enough that you singled me out for abuse. Scare quotes and all!
#57
Bors is fucking great.
“Ian Guy” left a long scream of rage and vituperation. It’s pretty funny, but as I said yesterday, he’s delighted us long enough.
That wasn’t Ian Guy
It was Yoda.
I think part of being a good sock puppet is to change your persona and phrasing enough for it not to be immediately obvious to even a casual reader that you’re the same person. Posting from different a IP would probably help as well, otherwise the blog owner will be able to see that you’re still the same shithole.
On a separate note, but related since whoever it really was kept raising it: Behaviour towards Lily Madigan. I don’t believe in being nasty to people as a general rule. As long as their behaviour is close to generally accepted bounds and they’re not actively shitting on people, I’ll either argue constructively, be stonily polite and non-communicative or disengage.
Lily Madigan should be treated with the same level of engagement and respect accorded to anyone in her position, irrespective of being 21, a ‘woman’ or trans. Irrespective of any ‘vulnerability’. Her position, her job, is as an activist and political operative. Shes a student politician specialising in the area of women’s rights, although she seems to have made it more about trans rights. When I was a student, politics was a cross between a sewer and a knife fight in a darkened room full of rabid dogs. I don’t see that that has changed much. Anyone who takes on such a position and approaches it with the degree of combativeness really shouldn’t be hiding behind ‘be nice to me I’m vulnerable’. For a supporter (assuming they’re not just trolling everyone) to claim so is infantilising.
Anyway, when was it ever improper for men and women of any age to engage in political and social debate? Someone seems stuck in 1850.
Shit! Yoda has gone over to the Dark Side!!
Rob @ 63 (first bit) – in other words: I agree with Polly-O!
Ian Guy wrote
Well, no, it isn’t. It is perfectly legal to refuse to give a third-partie’s details to a police officer if the officer doesn’t have a warrant specifically demanding the information.
No, it doesn’t. A’s refusal to give out B’s private phone number does not suggest that B has anything to hide. It suggests that A is aware that it would be a breach of trust to give out B’s personal information without B’s permission.
Because the police do not have unlimited rights to demand that information. If they haven’t got a warrant, they can find the fucking number for themselves.
Right back atcha, sweetheart.
No, you don’t. You see, the police don’t take kindly to receiving abusive calls – an offence under the Telecommunications Act – and will actively trace and arrest offenders. You say you have evidence that these alleged calls were made by Miller’s ‘mates’, so one can only assume that they identified themselves as such when they made these calls, and yet there’s no mention anywhere in the media about a flurry of arrests for the alleged offences, nor is there mention of an investigation into any such calls, and Miller himself has not made mention of his mates being arrested.
I’m smelling a rat here. Anyway, the rest of that screed is on even shakier ground than these few points, and I just can’t be arsed to keep on pointing out the obvious flaws in Guy’s thinking (sic).
Just out of interest, has anybody here actually said that they either have donated or intend to donate to Miller’s funding – whether with dole money or not?
Oh, and for future reference, Ian, if you see this; getting a ‘letter to the editor’ published in your local rag, or commenting on stories on the local tag’s website does not qualify you as a freelance journalist. Just sayin’.
Damn. I don’t get any dole money; guess I can’t donate. I only have my salary (a teacher’s salary, so no, not rich, but I live all right).
He’ll see it all right. He’s still commenting.
For some reason I am reminded of this:
https://youtu.be/Tb2-ZKm0oE4?t=35
And mocking those two girls who got beat up on a London bus, Ophelia…?
You are scum. Absolute scum. And so are your little friends.
Tramps, the lot of you.
Say what? Where did I mock the women (they are adult women, not girls) who were beaten up on the London bus?
Well, that’s one of the stranger and more unsupported claims I’ve seen made here. Ian, you have… issues.
Ian Guy, famous London journalist whose work is nowhere to be found, aka Beaks McEagle, famous…what, sleuth? Activist? Dog show judge? Google’s never heard of him except for his comments here.
I wonder what’s summoned Ian Beaks after more than a month.