I don’t even understand what point he thinks he’s making. As far as I can figure from that tweet alone, it seems that he’s under the delusion that he’s getting a pap smear test. Surely he can’t be suggesting such a thing….can he?
I’m no expert, but I can say for sure that McKinnon will feel a slight sting when the doctor inserts the forceps into his front opening; I dread to think what it will feel like when the doctor proceeds to open them up!.
It’s about horrible, horrible women preferring female doctors. (Why would you object to a be-penised doctor? What, is the penis going to do your lab work? Har har.)
The person he’s replying to has a locked account, so I can’t see what McK is replying to, but having seen a lot of this kind of thing helps with parsing: it has to have been something about trans women insisting on doing internal exams of women even when the women have specified a woman. McK is saying how dare you say a trans woman shouldn’t do internal exams of women even when the women have expressed a firm preference for a not-man…but he’s doing it with extra misogynist venom, as is typical for him.
Women who’ve been sexually assaulted, for instance, are quite likely to request a woman gynecologist not a man. McKinnon is brushing that aside and calling it “transphobia.” McKinnon is a malignant narcissist.
The penis isn’t doing the pelvic exam when a male doctor or nurse is performing it either. Women who don’t want a trans woman performing the exam don’t want a man performing it either.
It’s got nothing to do with the clinician’s trans-ness. It’s to do with their form. If you’re going to argue it’s discriminatory at least get the class that’s being discriminated against right: adult male medical practitioners. Not trans women. All males. Stop trying to make it about a trans issue and/or about yourself, McKinnon. It’s not.
Rob, McKinnon seems to be as talented at philosophy as she is at cycling.
I winced at Navratilova’s flippant “penis” comment. I thought it was a bit… discourteous. Apt to inflame the argument and distract from the substance . She has subsequently admitted it wasn’t helpful.
McKinnon demonstrated her prowess at philosophy by getting distracted by the flippant remark and ignoring the substance of Navratilova’s argument. McKinnon vigourously straw-manned Navratilova over it; going as far as to explain to the champion that one doesn’t play tennis with one’s penis.
Okay, so I understand now. A lot of women also prefer female therapists, for obvious reasons. I requested one myself this last round, because a lot of my issues are things that other women will understand and men will not; the men tend to be, oh, playing victim again, right? I suspect most trans-women would have trouble understanding, as well. Is that bigoted? No, it’s acknowledging that I need someone who recognizes what I have been through and why it has bothered me.
I went looking for this gem of reasoning from our least philosophical of philosophers, but found something else. It’s a fucking doozy.
[Referring to a graph of M/F testosterone levels] “Notice how the bottom of the male range completely overlaps the bottom of the female range” kinda sounds like McK is suggesting heavy overlap, right? Strangely worded though… why refer to ‘completely overlapping’ while specifying only a subset (the bottom) of the range? Have a look a the fucking graph:
Have you ever seen people so intellectually dishonest as McK (outside a conservative fever swamp)? The dishonesty and stupidity continues: “Note how many ELITE cis men are naturally way below 10nmol/L and even 5nmol/L.” Completely eliding the glaringly obvious: perhaps %15 of men are below 10, compared to 95% of women.
“Also, there is no relationship between T and performance” Um excuse me? a) This graph does not contradict the assertion that T is linked to sporting performance, in fact it shows that the preponderance of T lies with the stronger sex with only weak overlap; b) there is a large body of evidence beyond this graph showing that the relationship is quite real; c) IF THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP, WHY THE FUCK DOES SHE ALSO CLAIM THAT HORMONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY COMPLETELY ERODES THE MALE ADVANTAGE IN SPORTS?
This is very reminiscent of the whole “cotton ceiling” thing. I believe that RM has also told lesbians that they shouldn’t be so hung up on genitals when choosing sex partners. The choice of doctor is a consent and preference thing too, isn’t it? Guess it goes along with the bullying and misogyny though. McKinnon either doesn’t get it or doesn’t care, neither of which is a good look if you’re trying to pass yourself off as the good guy.
Okay, how about this angle: I wonder how many transwomen who are “lesbians” would enjoy the pleasures of another transwoman’s lady-penis? I see no reason why they shouldn’t, if transwomen are women full stop. I’m guessing there would indeed be some actual full stoppage in that situation, as I don’t see a lot of difference between “lesbian” transwomen and heterosexual men. Sauce for the goose? Or have we even figured out the goose/gander thing yet? It’s so hard to keep up.
The text of this one makes plain that the use of ‘complete overlap’ (above) was a deliberate decision to reduce the visibility of the different T distribution of male and female athletes.
a) It doesn’t matter if a reputable doctor would do it or not, it’s obviously a hypothetical scenario to make a point.
b) On that note, formerly reputable doctors have been known to prescribe similar things to minors while championing early transitioning. It’s how they lost the ‘reputable’ descriptor.
c) MCKINNON IS PRETENDING THAT THE PERSON WOULD ACTUALLY DO SUCH A THING TO THEIR DAUGHTER AND IS CALLING THEM A SHIT PARENT ON THAT BASIS.
McKinnon seems to be as talented at philosophy as she is at cycling
As I keep pointing out, he is not engaging in fallacious argument because he is untalented at philosophy (I don’t know if he is or not.) And he’s not doing it because he’s stupid.
He is engaging in sophistry. He is doing it deliberately. He knows exactly what he is doing.
In fact his education in philosophy has almost certainly helped him to become as good at misleading argument as he is.
See: what Holms found.
I caught another slippery McKinnonism myself today. Somebody evidently pointed out that transmen are not exactly taking the world of sport by storm. McK responded with a list of three transmale athletes (followed by an “etc. etc.”, the obvious implication being that there are plenty more where they came from!)
I looked them up. One (1) transman has made male teams in triathlon and diathlons. One (1) transmale boxer has won two bouts (super featherweight).
The third (3)? A high school wrestler who is still wrestling girls. Hasn’t competed against a male yet.
I caught another slippery McKinnonism myself today.
Unfortunately catching it once does not give you immunity from catching it again, though I think you can get shots for it. Hope you get better soon.
Why do I get the feeling we’re going to be seeing a lot more Slippery McLKinninonisms? How long before the inevitable flameout from overexposure, overreach and general shittiness? Can’t come too soon.
How long before the inevitable flameout from overexposure, overreach and general shittiness? Can’t come too soon.
You mean like Milo? Who can’t seem to get anyone to pay enough attention to even hate him anymore? Poor, poor Milo.
Hope soon it will be the same for McKinnon. If you’re so desperate for attention you have to ask Martina Navratilova “do you know who I am?” when the answer is so obviously likely to be no, well, you really do need to be the center of attention, don’t you?
Good to see that expensive degree in philosophy being put to good use developing cogent arguments.
I am confused. What does this mean?
I don’t even understand what point he thinks he’s making. As far as I can figure from that tweet alone, it seems that he’s under the delusion that he’s getting a pap smear test. Surely he can’t be suggesting such a thing….can he?
I’m no expert, but I can say for sure that McKinnon will feel a slight sting when the doctor inserts the forceps into his front opening; I dread to think what it will feel like when the doctor proceeds to open them up!.
Maybe J.K. Rowling could write a book about this obvious cheat and all-round whinger.
Cycling Rotter and the Philosopher’s Moan, maybe.
It’s about horrible, horrible women preferring female doctors. (Why would you object to a be-penised doctor? What, is the penis going to do your lab work? Har har.)
The person he’s replying to has a locked account, so I can’t see what McK is replying to, but having seen a lot of this kind of thing helps with parsing: it has to have been something about trans women insisting on doing internal exams of women even when the women have specified a woman. McK is saying how dare you say a trans woman shouldn’t do internal exams of women even when the women have expressed a firm preference for a not-man…but he’s doing it with extra misogynist venom, as is typical for him.
Women who’ve been sexually assaulted, for instance, are quite likely to request a woman gynecologist not a man. McKinnon is brushing that aside and calling it “transphobia.” McKinnon is a malignant narcissist.
Or, what Ben said, much more crisply.
What’s SYL?
See you later presumably
The penis isn’t doing the pelvic exam when a male doctor or nurse is performing it either. Women who don’t want a trans woman performing the exam don’t want a man performing it either.
It’s got nothing to do with the clinician’s trans-ness. It’s to do with their form. If you’re going to argue it’s discriminatory at least get the class that’s being discriminated against right: adult male medical practitioners. Not trans women. All males. Stop trying to make it about a trans issue and/or about yourself, McKinnon. It’s not.
Rob, McKinnon seems to be as talented at philosophy as she is at cycling.
I winced at Navratilova’s flippant “penis” comment. I thought it was a bit… discourteous. Apt to inflame the argument and distract from the substance . She has subsequently admitted it wasn’t helpful.
McKinnon demonstrated her prowess at philosophy by getting distracted by the flippant remark and ignoring the substance of Navratilova’s argument. McKinnon vigourously straw-manned Navratilova over it; going as far as to explain to the champion that one doesn’t play tennis with one’s penis.
Maybe in Doonesbury? Or Garry Larson’s world?
Okay, so I understand now. A lot of women also prefer female therapists, for obvious reasons. I requested one myself this last round, because a lot of my issues are things that other women will understand and men will not; the men tend to be, oh, playing victim again, right? I suspect most trans-women would have trouble understanding, as well. Is that bigoted? No, it’s acknowledging that I need someone who recognizes what I have been through and why it has bothered me.
And thank you all for being polite enough not to point out that I typed Hat hat when I meant to type Har har.
Nope, SYL is what a misogynist male gynecologist would say to the reluctant woman right after he told her to STFU.
I went looking for this gem of reasoning from our least philosophical of philosophers, but found something else. It’s a fucking doozy.
[Referring to a graph of M/F testosterone levels] “Notice how the bottom of the male range completely overlaps the bottom of the female range” kinda sounds like McK is suggesting heavy overlap, right? Strangely worded though… why refer to ‘completely overlapping’ while specifying only a subset (the bottom) of the range? Have a look a the fucking graph:
https://twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1103665993942028288
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you ever seen people so intellectually dishonest as McK (outside a conservative fever swamp)? The dishonesty and stupidity continues: “Note how many ELITE cis men are naturally way below 10nmol/L and even 5nmol/L.” Completely eliding the glaringly obvious: perhaps %15 of men are below 10, compared to 95% of women.
“Also, there is no relationship between T and performance” Um excuse me? a) This graph does not contradict the assertion that T is linked to sporting performance, in fact it shows that the preponderance of T lies with the stronger sex with only weak overlap; b) there is a large body of evidence beyond this graph showing that the relationship is quite real; c) IF THERE IS NO RELATIONSHIP, WHY THE FUCK DOES SHE ALSO CLAIM THAT HORMONE REPLACEMENT THERAPY COMPLETELY ERODES THE MALE ADVANTAGE IN SPORTS?
The dishonesty is staggering.
This is very reminiscent of the whole “cotton ceiling” thing. I believe that RM has also told lesbians that they shouldn’t be so hung up on genitals when choosing sex partners. The choice of doctor is a consent and preference thing too, isn’t it? Guess it goes along with the bullying and misogyny though. McKinnon either doesn’t get it or doesn’t care, neither of which is a good look if you’re trying to pass yourself off as the good guy.
Okay, how about this angle: I wonder how many transwomen who are “lesbians” would enjoy the pleasures of another transwoman’s lady-penis? I see no reason why they shouldn’t, if transwomen are women full stop. I’m guessing there would indeed be some actual full stoppage in that situation, as I don’t see a lot of difference between “lesbian” transwomen and heterosexual men. Sauce for the goose? Or have we even figured out the goose/gander thing yet? It’s so hard to keep up.
Some more obviously dishonest arguments from the feed:
https://twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1103737846597341184
The text of this one makes plain that the use of ‘complete overlap’ (above) was a deliberate decision to reduce the visibility of the different T distribution of male and female athletes.
https://twitter.com/rachelvmckinnon/status/1103419135055273986
a) It doesn’t matter if a reputable doctor would do it or not, it’s obviously a hypothetical scenario to make a point.
b) On that note, formerly reputable doctors have been known to prescribe similar things to minors while championing early transitioning. It’s how they lost the ‘reputable’ descriptor.
c) MCKINNON IS PRETENDING THAT THE PERSON WOULD ACTUALLY DO SUCH A THING TO THEIR DAUGHTER AND IS CALLING THEM A SHIT PARENT ON THAT BASIS.
My god, the naked dishonesty of this arsehole.
As I keep pointing out, he is not engaging in fallacious argument because he is untalented at philosophy (I don’t know if he is or not.) And he’s not doing it because he’s stupid.
He is engaging in sophistry. He is doing it deliberately. He knows exactly what he is doing.
In fact his education in philosophy has almost certainly helped him to become as good at misleading argument as he is.
See: what Holms found.
I caught another slippery McKinnonism myself today. Somebody evidently pointed out that transmen are not exactly taking the world of sport by storm. McK responded with a list of three transmale athletes (followed by an “etc. etc.”, the obvious implication being that there are plenty more where they came from!)
I looked them up. One (1) transman has made male teams in triathlon and diathlons. One (1) transmale boxer has won two bouts (super featherweight).
The third (3)? A high school wrestler who is still wrestling girls. Hasn’t competed against a male yet.
Unfortunately catching it once does not give you immunity from catching it again, though I think you can get shots for it. Hope you get better soon.
Why do I get the feeling we’re going to be seeing a lot more Slippery McLKinninonisms? How long before the inevitable flameout from overexposure, overreach and general shittiness? Can’t come too soon.
You mean like Milo? Who can’t seem to get anyone to pay enough attention to even hate him anymore? Poor, poor Milo.
Hope soon it will be the same for McKinnon. If you’re so desperate for attention you have to ask Martina Navratilova “do you know who I am?” when the answer is so obviously likely to be no, well, you really do need to be the center of attention, don’t you?