Pride shmide
Pride Toronto is furious at Toronto Public Library for refusing to banish Meghan Murphy. Pride Toronto has A Statement.
Pride Toronto strongly opposes the Toronto Public Library’s decision to host and support an event with guest speaker Meghan Murphy to take place in a publicly funded space.
For many years, Pride Toronto has worked in partnership and allyship with the Toronto Public Library (TPL), including hosting a sold-out signature event in 2019 featuring headliner Abby Jacobson. It was our understanding that our relationship was entering a new phase of mutual cooperation, support and reciprocity. It was our belief that the TPL was committed to creating library spaces that are inclusive, safe and welcoming. The recent decision to allow the event with Meghan Murphy is a betrayal to our LGBT2SQ+ communities.
It is well known Meghan Murphy asserts publicly and repeatedly that Trans women cannot be women and will always be men. This is a denial of the lives, experiences and identities of Trans people. It is a crude, hateful and hurtful assertion. It says that the existence of Trans people is invalid and that therefore their human rights are up for public debate.
“It is well known that” Meghan Murphy doesn’t agree that men magically become women just by saying they are women. Neither do I; neither do lots of women. The claim is stupid and supernatural and not credible. It’s not the same kind of claim as “women should not be treated as inferiors” and “people of color should not be treated as inferiors.” Treating people as equals is not the same kind of thing as agreeing that people are what they manifestly are not. What if the next move is for people to declare they are trees, and run around threatening and punishing and exiling people who don’t accept that claim? It’s not part of any left worth its salt to try to force people to believe, or pretend to believe, magical nonsensical claims people make about themselves.
I would love to see an end to self-pitying burble about “denial of the lives, experiences and identities of” trans people or tree people or furries or anime characters any other damn fantasies people have about themselves. Have all the fantasies you want, knock yourself out, but don’t try to impose them on everyone else. No. We’re not buying it any more, so threaten all you like but no. No.
Also, claims about “saying the existence of Trans people is invalid” are meaningless garble. Existence isn’t a library card or a bus pass, so “validity” is not a relevant category. Nobody says “the existence of Trans people is invalid”; saying men are not women is not saying the existence of men who claim to be women is “invalid,” whatever that would mean, it’s just saying their claims about themselves are not true. There is no duty to accept all claims people make about themselves. There just isn’t. We couldn’t function if there were. I could claim to be the true owner of any big house with an ocean view I fancied, and then what? No. We don’t have to treat obviously false claims people make about themselves as true. Yelling that they find that hurtful is becoming just so much noise, and very boring noise at that.
Meghan Murphy also spreads the propaganda that as trans rights increase, the rights of women decrease. Feminists with an intersectional lens know that feminism and the rights of women are stronger when feminism includes all women. Trans women are women.
Yes, the rights of women are stronger when feminism includes all women, but not when it includes men. Trans women are men.
Most librarians I’ve known have been fiercely protective of knowledge. Maybe the person or people at this library are the sort who are generally of liberal or progressive world view, but who also believe in knowledge, debate and can see that each of these causes has legitimate views to air. It seems that TRA’s can’t get past the view that you are wholly for them or wholly against them.
And add to that the idea that to be against them is to be evil, more evil than any other person in the world, because disagreeing with trans is the evilest of all evils.
Apparently reciprocity means Pride Toronto gets to call the shots for their partners…? That’s a warning right there for anyone looking to rent space to them, or work with them in any fashion: Pride Toronto demands a one way street.
Holms, I had copied that same line of text to comment on but you beat me to it. Yes, amazing how PT sees the PUBLIC Library as something that makes deals with them and them only And that PT sets the rules. I wonder how many library employees would love to not have to kiss up to PT and would rather do something else on the day of Pride parade?
Isn’t it interesting that this one way street mentality doesn’t arise (from what I have seen) in L or G or B advocacy groups, or even in L and G and B advocacy groups; I’ve only really seen when the T is added…
I am sure I could google this, but what’s the 2S stand for?
Two spirit, a native american gender concept.
That for some reason is not getting called out as cultural appropriation by the woke left (maybe because they are the ones that appropriated it).
Does Pride Toronto believe Jonathan Yaniv is “valid”? Does Pride Toronto strongly oppose people’s attempts to stop Jonathan Yaniv from predating on twelve-year-old girls in public bathrooms? Does Pride Toronto uphold Jonathan Yaniv’s right to show pornography to young teens? To extort thousands of dollars from immigrant women — who he hates and thinks are “dirty” — for not wanting to touch his genitals?
When you replace the general, abstract idea of “trans people’s rights” with specific real-life cases of what trans people are actually demanding, it becomes crystal clear that this isn’t about rights at all.
Not to be picky, but it is about rights. It’s just not about the rights they say it is.
It should be obvious that Yaniv/Karen White represent a refutation of the sufficiency of self-declaration for gender. Trying to stretch trans-legitimacy so far that such instances can be ignored is dooming the entire process.
Yes, there ARE trans-women who aren’t thinly disguised, angry, misogynist, men. But since they aren’t waving baseball bats, vandalizing libraries and clinics, or trolling on twitter, McKinnon/Yaniv/White get to be the bloody role models.
I’m a bit surprised that Pride Toronto explicitly stated what they objected to in Murphy’s talk (“trans women can never be women.”) I would have thought they’d be disinclined to let people read that, given that letting people listen to that is so very, very hurtful and damaging. Vague references to ‘transphobia’ and horribleness and “that which should not be expressed “ would seem to be more in the spirit of shutting down a speech in a library.
@ Rob #1
It seems that TRA’s can’t get past the view that you are wholly for them or wholly against them.
That sounds binary.
Hmmm, that explains why there is looming conflict between trans and non-binary movements…