What would happen if we applied this to other species? For instance, PZ’s spiders, that he seems quite content to gender based on their genitalia, and the reality of egg-laying.
A penis is, by definition, a male sexual organ. A uterus is, by definition, a female reproductive organ. You cannot change that by wishing it away.
We’re really pushing the envelope on mind over matter here, aren’t we?
Cis people in general are threatened by trans women to the degree that anyone might feel uncomfortable when faced with someone sincerely believing in ideas that are delusional. This is right up there with government microchip implantation and chemtrail conspiracies (though chemtrail flakes have the benefit of being able to point to something real and saying THERE IT IS!!11! even if their “explanation” is complete bollocks). Women have the added bonus threat of being confronted with a “biological woman’s penis” in a female only space wherein they might reasonably have expected, until now, a penis of any sort would not be found.
Maybe if TRAs really scrunch up their faces and furrow their brows, material reality itself will roll over and surrender.
Once they’ve won this critical battle for wishful thinking they can try to work their magic on gravity, species extinction and weight loss.
On a somewhat more serious vein, there are few human traits that are completely novel and unprecedented; many things that were thought to be uniquely features of human beings (tool use, language, culture, a sense of self) have paralells or precursors in other species. Has anyone suggested that any other species exhibits “transness” and how could one possibly discover it? Are other animals “born into” their bodies the way humans are alleged to be in trans thought? Do other species exhibit culturally defined gender roles like humans do (and upon which transness seems to depend)?
What seems to escape a lot of these trans-rights activists is that from a young age, girls are taught that penises are an object of fear, a weapon that will be used against us. They will impregnate us, give us diseases, make us lesser (i.e. slut-shaming) and yet we must also revere the holder of the penis, elevate his needs above our own and conform to his expectations no matter how contradictory or impossible.
Boys are taught about how awesome penises are, how everyone who doesn’t have one is envious (Thanks a lot Dr Freud), how not having one makes you inferior and then the world conforms to those expectations. All those non-penis-havers have to listen to your bullshit! And if they don’t, well they’re only stupid frigid bitches and should just go away and die. Maybe he can help them along with his substitute penis (also known as a gun).
Socialization matters and in this, these transwomen are showing just how much they don’t understand about what it means to be a woman in a world that loves only men.
iknklast, #3. Speaking of P.Z. he has a post up today regarding New Atheists’ misuse of logic and reality, in which he comes out with this (emphasis mine);
I don’t think Rebecca Watson would like to be labeled a New Atheist now. Neither would I.That’s the movement that undercut itself by pretending that rationalizing prior prejudices is exactly the same as “logic”.
Hmm, why does that tactic sound familiar?
I am not saying that logic and reason and rationality are bad things, far from it. I’m saying that the Red Pill, Ben Shapiro, Atheism is Unstoppable crowd have stolen those words and abused them.
Swap ‘logic and reason and rationality’ for ‘woman, biological, sex, and gender’ and ‘Red Pill, Ben Shapiro, Atheism is Unstoppable’ for ‘trans rights activists’ and it loses none of its truth. Well, it wouldn’t if not for the fact that the standards that apply to everybody else don’t apply to TRA’s and allies because, of course, REASONS.
Has anyone suggested that any other species exhibits “transness” and how could one possibly discover it?
That depends. If you talk about do other species change sex, yes. That is documented. For instance, some fish species have an alpha female in the group. If the male dies, she changes sex to a male. These are really super neat things.
In addition, as we all know, many species are actually both sexes at once. Also documented. Also super cool things.
But if you look at transness the way we are now supposed to view it, and ask whether there are any species where the male can think it’s way into femaleness, or vice versa, that would be harder, right? Because language barrier. Because all we have to go on is behavior. So do other organisms sometimes have individuals behaving in a way that is generally associated with the opposite sex? Yeah, there’s been some documentation, though I’m not sure how sound. But is it the same as trans? Is it just a matter of thinking “I’m in the wrong body, I think I should be the other”? Probably not. Does it support trans ideology? Probably not. Why? Because sexual relationships in other species are not always as simple as they seem, and many species are not thoroughly studied enough to draw those conclusions, and most of them that do seem that way, all ideas were developed by studying the males, and assuming the females behavior from the male behavior.
…whether there are any species where the male can think it’s way into femaleness, or vice versa…
Yes, this was the sense I meant, as no reorganization of tissues, acquisition of the sex-appropriate gamete production, or any physiological change at all is involved or required for the claim of transhood. I’d forgotten about the fish (which I think I’d come across in Gould) though, so thank you for that. If people could actually do this, then there’d be no question (or at least different questions) about trans claims.
The “lady penis” is the trans version of the miraculous transformation of the bread and wine of the Eucharist; they still look a whole lot like the same bread and wine you started out with, BUT BY GOD, JESUS IS REALLY, REALLY IN THERE AND YOU”RE GOING TO HELL IF YOU DENY IT!
As I noted in an earlier post, it would save a lot of trouble if doctors were properly trained so as to be able to correctly identify Girl Penises at birth.
In reference to iknklast #8, it is called “sequential hermaphroditism”, There are both male-to-female fish, like the clownfish, and female-to-male fish, like most wrasse. “Finding Nemo” anthropomorphized clownfish gender behavior. According to their real behavior, Coral would have been the biggest and most dominant fish in her group, with Marlon the second. When Coral died, Marlon would have become Marla and taken her place.
It’s hard to know whether to hope for that being stupidity, bull shit or delusion.
Since ‘Trans women are women’ is an unproven, unevidenced assumption, whatever follows can be safely ignored.
One could claim that arsenic is a refreshing drink, but I wouldn’t drink it.
What would happen if we applied this to other species? For instance, PZ’s spiders, that he seems quite content to gender based on their genitalia, and the reality of egg-laying.
A penis is, by definition, a male sexual organ. A uterus is, by definition, a female reproductive organ. You cannot change that by wishing it away.
And Indya Moore would know this how…?
We’re really pushing the envelope on mind over matter here, aren’t we?
Cis people in general are threatened by trans women to the degree that anyone might feel uncomfortable when faced with someone sincerely believing in ideas that are delusional. This is right up there with government microchip implantation and chemtrail conspiracies (though chemtrail flakes have the benefit of being able to point to something real and saying THERE IT IS!!11! even if their “explanation” is complete bollocks). Women have the added bonus threat of being confronted with a “biological woman’s penis” in a female only space wherein they might reasonably have expected, until now, a penis of any sort would not be found.
Maybe if TRAs really scrunch up their faces and furrow their brows, material reality itself will roll over and surrender.
Once they’ve won this critical battle for wishful thinking they can try to work their magic on gravity, species extinction and weight loss.
On a somewhat more serious vein, there are few human traits that are completely novel and unprecedented; many things that were thought to be uniquely features of human beings (tool use, language, culture, a sense of self) have paralells or precursors in other species. Has anyone suggested that any other species exhibits “transness” and how could one possibly discover it? Are other animals “born into” their bodies the way humans are alleged to be in trans thought? Do other species exhibit culturally defined gender roles like humans do (and upon which transness seems to depend)?
What seems to escape a lot of these trans-rights activists is that from a young age, girls are taught that penises are an object of fear, a weapon that will be used against us. They will impregnate us, give us diseases, make us lesser (i.e. slut-shaming) and yet we must also revere the holder of the penis, elevate his needs above our own and conform to his expectations no matter how contradictory or impossible.
Boys are taught about how awesome penises are, how everyone who doesn’t have one is envious (Thanks a lot Dr Freud), how not having one makes you inferior and then the world conforms to those expectations. All those non-penis-havers have to listen to your bullshit! And if they don’t, well they’re only stupid frigid bitches and should just go away and die. Maybe he can help them along with his substitute penis (also known as a gun).
Socialization matters and in this, these transwomen are showing just how much they don’t understand about what it means to be a woman in a world that loves only men.
iknklast, #3. Speaking of P.Z. he has a post up today regarding New Atheists’ misuse of logic and reality, in which he comes out with this (emphasis mine);
Hmm, why does that tactic sound familiar?
Swap ‘logic and reason and rationality’ for ‘woman, biological, sex, and gender’ and ‘Red Pill, Ben Shapiro, Atheism is Unstoppable’ for ‘trans rights activists’ and it loses none of its truth. Well, it wouldn’t if not for the fact that the standards that apply to everybody else don’t apply to TRA’s and allies because, of course, REASONS.
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2019/02/20/panglossian-naziism/
Those three lines of pure falsehood establish clearly that transgenderism is a male-dominated religion.
Men declare something and we are all supposed to buy into it?
Nah, PenisNews can take a flying leap.
That depends. If you talk about do other species change sex, yes. That is documented. For instance, some fish species have an alpha female in the group. If the male dies, she changes sex to a male. These are really super neat things.
In addition, as we all know, many species are actually both sexes at once. Also documented. Also super cool things.
But if you look at transness the way we are now supposed to view it, and ask whether there are any species where the male can think it’s way into femaleness, or vice versa, that would be harder, right? Because language barrier. Because all we have to go on is behavior. So do other organisms sometimes have individuals behaving in a way that is generally associated with the opposite sex? Yeah, there’s been some documentation, though I’m not sure how sound. But is it the same as trans? Is it just a matter of thinking “I’m in the wrong body, I think I should be the other”? Probably not. Does it support trans ideology? Probably not. Why? Because sexual relationships in other species are not always as simple as they seem, and many species are not thoroughly studied enough to draw those conclusions, and most of them that do seem that way, all ideas were developed by studying the males, and assuming the females behavior from the male behavior.
Yes, this was the sense I meant, as no reorganization of tissues, acquisition of the sex-appropriate gamete production, or any physiological change at all is involved or required for the claim of transhood. I’d forgotten about the fish (which I think I’d come across in Gould) though, so thank you for that. If people could actually do this, then there’d be no question (or at least different questions) about trans claims.
The “lady penis” is the trans version of the miraculous transformation of the bread and wine of the Eucharist; they still look a whole lot like the same bread and wine you started out with, BUT BY GOD, JESUS IS REALLY, REALLY IN THERE AND YOU”RE GOING TO HELL IF YOU DENY IT!
As I noted in an earlier post, it would save a lot of trouble if doctors were properly trained so as to be able to correctly identify Girl Penises at birth.
Just send them to a re-education camp!
In reference to iknklast #8, it is called “sequential hermaphroditism”, There are both male-to-female fish, like the clownfish, and female-to-male fish, like most wrasse. “Finding Nemo” anthropomorphized clownfish gender behavior. According to their real behavior, Coral would have been the biggest and most dominant fish in her group, with Marlon the second. When Coral died, Marlon would have become Marla and taken her place.